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I saw it for what it was a long time ago.
I saw it for what it was a long time ago.It’s a fair bet they’d show more of an open mind on this subject than have you.
No, you've seen it through union goggles.I saw it for what it was a long time ago.
To be fair, teachers aren't 100% responsible for student outcomes, but teachers should be rated, ranked and measured by their student outcomes.It’s a strategy to hold educators accountable for student outcomes, something the teachers unions (and their pals) fight against tooth and nail.
Yeah, I got tired of admonishing kids to put their phones away and contacting parents over and over and over and over again. The policy is a joke. Being a phone cop is not what I signed up for.
It sounds like you're putting yourself ahead of the needs of your kid. Sending your kid to school without a phone is what's best for the kid. Again:
No-phone day at Saint George's school leaves students feeling free: 'I would do this every day'
Something was missing in Saint George’s School on Thursday. A lot of somethings.www.spokesman.com
We'll agree to disagree on this issue, then.No, you've seen it through union goggles.
Teachers and administrators should be responsible for student outcomes. That does not mean, for example, the outcomes in a poor, urban district should match those in a wealthy suburb. It means maximizing the potential of the students the school district has, and our traditional public schools in urban areas are manifestly failing to do that. The reason they fail is, IMO, a lack of accountability.To be fair, teachers aren't 100% responsible for student outcomes, but teachers should be rated, ranked and measured by their student outcomes.
Not just absolute student outcomes, but student improvement from day 1 to the last day of the school year.
Further, schools should be measured and compared the same way. Aggregate absolute student outcomes as well as aggregate student improvement.
It's been a long time since the government instituted monopoly has had any competition and honest measurement.
That's certainly easier than acknowledging the facts.We'll agree to disagree on this issue, then.
Agreed.Teachers and administrators should be responsible for student outcomes.
There are going to be differences school district to school district, as well as school to school.That does not mean, for example, the outcomes in a poor, urban district should match those in a wealthy suburb.
Fair enough. Metrics would help steer the school, and would lend some accountability.It means maximizing the potential of the students the school district has, and our traditional public schools in urban areas are manifestly failing to do that. The reason they fail is, IMO, a lack of accountability.
I hope that you eventually learn that skill. Have a good one.That's certainly easier than acknowledging the facts.
Republican helicopter parentsOf course they can, but when you have a system that isn’t accountable for student outcomes, why bother?
Watch and learn.I hope that you eventually learn that skill. Have a good one.
What does your response have to do with what I posted?In my state, and in study after study, charter public schools have been proven to produce better student outcomes with same kinds of students as traditional public schools, and especially so in poorer, urban neighborhoods. Why aren’t parents a drag on MA charter school outcomes?
Idiotic response.Republican helicopter parents
Personal insult by @NatMortonIdiotic response.
You’ve never dealt with 4,000 sets of high school parentsTo be fair, teachers aren't 100% responsible for student outcomes, but teachers should be rated, ranked and measured by their student outcomes.
trump school boards across the land are decimating curricula, and you demand outcomes.Not just absolute student outcomes, but student improvement from day 1 to the last day of the school year.
Further, schools should be measured and compared the same way. Aggregate absolute student outcomes as well as aggregate student improvement.
Reagan’s government garbage gave us our $35 trillion debt.It's been a long time since the government instituted monopoly has had any competition and honest measurement.
In MA, that is simply false. MA charters cannot select their students, it's against the law. Also, MA charters also do a better job educated both ESL (we call them ELLs) and SPED students.What does your response have to do with what I posted?
Anyway, Charter schools have to ability to select their students (your “same kind of students” is false). Charter schools have fewer ESL, fewer disabled and tend to have a higher percentage of positive parental involvement.
I agree with you there. In fact, a lack of challenge was the single biggest reason we enrolled our kids in a charter public school.I know the following opinion of mine is not popular but our public school education focuses on gravitating toward the mean. Much more than 50% of the financial outlays go toward the bottom 50% of the scholastic performers. Wouldn’t it benefit more of society as a whole to invest in the students who would garner a higher return?
When I was in (public) school (Missouri) they tracked the students. Keep in mind my High School graduation class was was 1642 kids! We had to stagger the start and end times because all the busses couldn’t get the ingress/egress needed. The large pool of students allowed for say a class like English, a required course, (freshmen, sophomore, junior or senior) to be tracked based on aptitude. This had the benefit for both the teacher and students to fine tune the “speed” and complexity of the studies to the students. This has a detriment to the bottom tract of removing the high performance peers which can be a benefit to them.In MA, that is simply false. MA charters cannot select their students, it's against the law. Also, MA charters also do a better job educated both ESL (we call them ELLs) and SPED students.
I agree with you there. In fact, a lack of challenge was the single biggest reason we enrolled our kids in a charter public school.
The schools in my district can't call either mine nor my husband's cell phones.Yes of course. If the need to contact or be contacted, there is a phone in the office.
i agreeI think they can. Why would a student need a cell phone while class is in session?
I think schools can and should ban them. Yondr pouches work well for this.
Cell Phone Jammers.
Wall mounted, tied to the building security system. In the even of a safety event when the lockdown system is activated the cell phone jammers are automatically turned off.
WW
Wouldn't this prevent teachers using their cell phones on their lunch breaks?
They tried this in our district and it lasted two minutes. Too many upset parents. I agree with the above sentiment, schools aren't a guaranteed safe place and I don't believe all teachers and administrators are properly trained to keep kids safe during a school shooting incident. As long as it's out of sight and on silent, there's no reason kids shouldn't be able to keep their phones on them.This has become a HEATED topic on social media lately.
Schools are trying to do so and parents are pushing back hard and saying “nope - you can’t guarantee my child’s safety at school they’re going to have a way to call for help if they need it”
I think a reasonable compromise is that kids simply have to keep their phones put away during class time
How does a cell phone protect one from a school shooter?They tried this in our district and it lasted two minutes. Too many upset parents. I agree with the above sentiment, schools aren't a guaranteed safe place and I don't believe all teachers and administrators are properly trained to keep kids safe during a school shooting incident. As long as it's out of sight and on silent, there's no reason kids shouldn't be able to keep their phones on them.
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