Can any righty please tell me how this is not a clear Constitutional crisis? (1 Viewer)

[Shrink726]

SCOTUS orders Maggot to "facilitate" the return of Garcia to the US so that his case can receive due process.

Maggot says, with stunning disingenuousness, that he can't get Garcia out of El Salvador even if he wanted to.

A week and a half later he clearly admits the obvious, namely, that, of course, he could get Garcia back if he picked up a phone to call his new fascist buddy in El Salvador.

He tries to pass the buck by saying that "his DoJ lawyers are handling this" neglecting to note that carrying out the SCOTUS orders is ultimately his responsibility.

And Garcia remains right where he is with no effort whatsoever to comply with the order of the Supreme Court.

Are righties alright with the Executive branch flouting and mocking the Supreme Court?

If this is not definitionally seen as a Constitutional crisis, just what is it and what would be viewed as such?

Doesn't the oath of office that a president takes include words to the effect that they will protect and obey the Constitution?

This, then is clearly an impeachable offense.

 

[Mycroft]

If this is not definitionally seen as a Constitutional crisis, just what is it and what would be viewed as such.

Just what is it? It's called "foot dragging'. And no, it's not a constitutional crisis. In fact, it's a very common tactic. All Administrations do it.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

SCOTUS orders Maggot to "facilitate" the return of Garcia to the US so that his case can receive due process.

You got that part wrong. SCOTUS said it was because he was deported to El Salvador, not because of due process. He already received due process by a judge. If Trump deported him to another country besides El Salvador, it would be allowed per SCOTUS decision.

 

[Shrink726]

Just what is it? It's called "foot dragging'. And no, it's not a constitutional crisis. In fact, it's a very common tactic. All Administrations do it.

Are you also OK with Maggot blatently lying - - something he stupidly admitted to last night?

Is there any bottom for you when it comes to this puke?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Well, it appears MAGA wants fascism so they won't care.

 

[Shrink726]

You got that part wrong. SCOTUS said it was because he was deported to El Salvador, not because of due process. He already received due process by a judge. If Trump deported him to another country besides El Salvador, it would be allowed per SCOTUS decision.

Unanimous Ruling:
The Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9-0) in favor of Abrego Garcia, affirming the Trump administration's unlawful action.
Deportation Order Reversed:
The Court's ruling reversed a preliminary order that had permitted the government to hold onto Abrego Garcia, according to a report from NPR.
"Facilitate" Return:
The Court's order required the government to take steps to help Abrego Garcia return to the United States, reported NPR.
Due Process:
The case highlighted the importance of due process rights for all individuals, including those in the US without legal status, according to an NPR report.
Government's Concession:
The government conceded that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding-of-removal order and that his removal to El Salvador was illegal.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Rural Americans voted for this. See map.

Presidential Election Results: Trump Wins​

"But President Donald Trump is proving that a politician can absolutely harm the economy when they lack any regard for the consequences, borne largely by the people who elected them."

The question is, is trump really that stupid?

Trump's educationally challenged rural base avoids the realities of responsible news. That explains their inability to discuss the Trump administration.

Trump knows this. So, he shamelessly lies before a television audience, knowing full-well that his base will believe him. He doesn't mind looking like an idiot to most Americans. It is the price he pays for his fantasies being accepted by his base.

As a consequence, some of his fantasies are real whoppers. Lying comes easy with this President.

NBC reports, "President Donald Trump's first 100 days in office have been the worst for the stock market since Richard Nixon's administration, with significant drops following his tariff announcements.

"But according to Trump, it's all Joe Biden's fault.

"This is Biden’s Stock Market, not Trump’s," he posted on Truth Social on Wednesday morning. "I didn’t take over until January 20th. Tariffs will soon start kicking in, and companies are starting to move into the USA in record numbers."

"Our Country will boom, but we have to get rid of the Biden 'Overhang,'" he added. "This will take a while, has NOTHING TO DO WITH TARIFFS, only that he left us with bad numbers, but when the boom begins, it will be like no other. BE PATIENT!!!"

Biden left office with the largest, most successful economy on the planet with record low unemployment and minimal inflation.

The tariff ridden Trump economy is heading towards a recession, and Americans have lost billions of dollars in their investments and retirement accounts. That money is lost, unrecoverable.

Trump came up with a real whopper this time. Republicans will say nothing.

 

[Mycroft]

Are you also OK with Maggot blatently lying - - something he stupidly admitted to last night?

Is there any bottom for you when it comes to this puke?

There you go again.

You don't like my answer and you are unable to refute it.

So, you attack me. What a waste of time!

Bye.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Unanimous Ruling:
The Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9-0) in favor of Abrego Garcia, affirming the Trump administration's unlawful action.
Deportation Order Reversed:
The Court's ruling reversed a preliminary order that had permitted the government to hold onto Abrego Garcia, according to a report from NPR.
"Facilitate" Return:
The Court's order required the government to take steps to help Abrego Garcia return to the United States, reported NPR.
Due Process:
The case highlighted the importance of due process rights for all individuals, including those in the US without legal status, according to an NPR report.
Government's Concession:
The government conceded that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding-of-removal order and that his removal to El Salvador was illegal.

Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order preventing his removal to El Salvador by a judge. That doesn’t mean he can’t be deported elsewhere. What SCOTUS had an issue with is being deported to El Salvador. He already had due process.

 

[Questerr]

Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order preventing his removal to El Salvador by a judge. That doesn’t mean he can’t be deported elsewhere. What SCOTUS had an issue with is being deported to El Salvador. He already had due process.

Then return him to America, give him the appropriate due process and deport him elsewhere if that is what the courts say.

If no country besides El Salvador will accept him, then congrats he stays.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Then return him to America, give him the appropriate due process and deport him elsewhere if that is what the courts say.

If no country besides El Salvador will accept him, then congrats he stays.

As I’ve already stated, he received his due process. Technically, he could bypass the U.S. and go directly to whatever country they deport him too. I agree, he should not have gone to El Salvador, but you know the rest of my argument.

 

[Questerr]

As I’ve already stated, he received his due process. Technically, he could bypass the U.S. and go directly to whatever country they deport him too. I agree, he should not have gone to El Salvador, but you know the rest of my argument.

To be clear, you condemn Trump for sending him to a concentration camp in El Salvador?

 

[Linuxcooldude]

To be clear, you condemn Trump for sending him to a concentration camp in El Salvador?

I’ve already made my argument clear. You’re just moving the goalposts to setup a semantically loaded question. Not playing that game.

 

[Questerr]

I’ve already made my argument clear. You’re just moving the goalposts to setup a semantically loaded question. Not playing that game.

You think it was wrong for Garcia to be sent to El Salvador. Do you think the person responsible for that (Trump) is wrong?

 

[Linuxcooldude]

You think it was wrong for Garcia to be sent to El Salvador. Do you think the person responsible for that (Trump) is wrong?

Already answered in post #11. Not going to let you put your leftist spin to it as hard as your trying.

 

[Questerr]

Already answered in post #11. Not going to let you put your leftist spin to it as hard as your trying.

So you give a milquetoast “disagreement” with the decision, but you luckily still get to support the guy who made the decision wholeheartedly, making your supposed disagreement pointless.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Shrink726]

There you go again.

You don't like my answer and you are unable to refute it.

So, you attack me. What a waste of time!

Bye.

So you're fine with Maggot blatently lying, over and over and over again.

Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[cpwill]

 

[Airyaman]

Not me. I don't want any president to ignore the courts. The judiciary can be a check on either other branch.

 

[Uncensored2008]

SCOTUS orders Maggot to "facilitate" the return of Garcia to the US so that his case can receive due process.

Maggot says, with stunning disingenuousness, that he can't get Garcia out of El Salvador even if he wanted to.

A week and a half later he clearly admits the obvious, namely, that, of course, he could get Garcia back if he picked up a phone to call his new fascist buddy in El Salvador.

He tries to pass the buck by saying that "his DoJ lawyers are handling this" neglecting to note that carrying out the SCOTUS orders is ultimately his responsibility.

And Garcia remains right where he is with no effort whatsoever to comply with the order of the Supreme Court.

Are righties alright with the Executive branch flouting and mocking the Supreme Court?

If this is not definitionally seen as a Constitutional crisis, just what is it and what would be viewed as such?

Doesn't the oath of office that a president takes include words to the effect that they will protect and obey the Constitution?

This, then is clearly an impeachable offense.

Do you demand a military raid to kidnap the MS-13 darling of the seditionist democrats?

El Salvador has no need to obey American courts.

 

[soap box]

You got that part wrong. SCOTUS said it was because he was deported to El Salvador, not because of due process. He already received due process by a judge. If Trump deported him to another country besides El Salvador, it would be allowed per SCOTUS decision.

NOEM v. ABREGO GARCIA

"Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law.

"That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings. Reno v. Flores."

"It must also comply with its obligations under the Convention Against Torture. See Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment."

NOEM v. ABREGO GARCIA

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[multivita-man]

Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order preventing his removal to El Salvador by a judge. That doesn’t mean he can’t be deported elsewhere.

Yes it does.

What SCOTUS had an issue with is being deported to El Salvador. He already had due process.

You're just making shit up.

 

[Shrink726]

Do you demand a military raid to kidnap the MS-13 darling of the seditionist democrats?

El Salvador has no need to obey American courts.

A phone call from Maggot would do the trick. That tinpot fascist El Salvador president would crawl over broken glass to please Maggot. SCOTUS ordered this to happen and the Maggot fascist presently squatting in the White House has openly flouted the Supreme Court order.

THIS IS, BY DEFINITION, A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.