This is your opinion. You are unable to speak for all men. FAIL
They do? Please show that doctors and researchers disagree that it is illogical to perform surgery when not necessary. That if two things accomplish similar results then the less invasive one should logically be preferred. Go ahead prove that.Could, should, would...all subjective. Also, doctors and researchers disagree with you.
Of course not, because you'd rather label them as a dismissive tactic because you can't argue against logic.I'm not interested in your baseless opinions of "coulda' shoulda'". Facts please.
I don't find it necessary to cry to mommy every time someone says something I don't like.If you feel like I have been using ad homs, then please report them as I just did with this ad hom.
Prove it's a lie or apologize.Again, a blatant lie. And nowhere near being on topic. I have been consistently trying to keep the discussion about the topic and not other people. But if you feel I haven't, please report.
It has become a cultural tradition perpetuated by the "I don't want my son to look different" and "It's easier to clean" excuse.The customs and laws pertaining to circumcision are derived from the Bible, Talmud, and Jewish tradition, all of which have been meticulously passed down from generation to generation.
God's First Commandment to Abraham
Circumcision is the first commandment given by God to Abraham, the first Jew, and is central to Judaism. Abraham, the father of the Jewish People, had for many years served God righteously. Yet it was only after he circumcised himself by God's command at the age of ninety-nine years, that he was able to reach the ultimate level of Biblical perfection of "and you shall be perfect" (Genesis 17:1).
God desired that this final "finishing touch" and perfection of our body should be a distinctly human act. This teaches us that spiritual perfection must and can be accomplished by human effort.
The obvious faliure is that you can't prove your statement so you try to misdirect. :2wave:Do you have any sort of study that shows this to be the case or that sex is significantly or even noticably impaired? FAIL.
The word "little" is irrelevant to the point. The point BTW which you again try to misdirect from,again, instead of refute. That point being that the skin is an organ, the largest organ on or in our body, this includes the foreskin. As an organ its entirety is useful and necessary. I'm simply proving that you are wrong when you say "Those same purposes are achieved by the wearing of clothing rendering the usefulness of the foreskin void."I never used the word "little". And no, size still does not equate to usefulness. FAIL
Yes, I understand what the different tissues are as I took biology courses in college, too. Do you wish to make a point or were you just demonstrating your irrelevant linking skills for us?
This is your opinion. You are unable to speak for all men. FAIL
They do? Please show that doctors and researchers disagree that it is illogical to perform surgery when not necessary. That if two things accomplish similar results then the less invasive one should logically be preferred. Go ahead prove that.
Of course not, because you'd rather label them as a dismissive tactic because you can't argue against logic.
I don't find it necessary to cry to mommy every time someone says something I don't like.
Prove it's a lie or apologize.
Yes you have been consistently trying to force the discussion to be about your study, since all of your other arguments have been trounced. Unfortunately for you I will continue to trounce you on this subject because the reality is that circumcision cannot be defended. It is a religious practice that gained widespread acceptance through misinformation being pushed by doctors and Rabbis.
It has become a cultural tradition perpetuated by the "I don't want my son to look different" and "It's easier to clean" excuse.
The obvious faliure is that you can't prove your statement so you try to misdirect. :2wave:
The word "little" is irrelevant to the point. The point BTW which you again try to misdirect from,again, instead of refute. That point being that the skin is an organ, the largest organ on or in our body, this includes the foreskin. As an organ its entirety is useful and necessary. I'm simply proving that you are wrong when you say "Those same purposes are achieved by the wearing of clothing rendering the usefulness of the foreskin void."
Circumcision toll rises to 12
Septicaemia claimed the life of a boy from Bisho after he underwent an illegal circumcision, the Eastern Cape health department said on Thursday.
Spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo said the boy died on the way to hospital on Wednesday.
This brought the death toll in the province's winter circumcision season to 12. All the victims had been at illegal circumcision schools.
Besides the boy who died on Wednesday, two boys died from natural causes (such as respiratory diseases) and the rest from dehydration.
News - Health: Circumcision toll rises to 12
Mum to sue GP over son's botched circumcision operation
A MUSLIM mother is planning legal action against a GP after her baby son's circumcision went wrong.
Faiqa Akram paid £80 for three-month-old Naveed to be circumcised at a private clinic because she could not have the treatment on the NHS.
But Naveed is one of four boys who have needed treatment at the University Hospital of North Staffordshire after suffering complications following private circumcisions.
this would not have happened if the boy remained intact
mother hits out at botched op|legal action against Manchester GP
This would not have happened if the boy had his circumcision done under proper conditions.
So what are you doing? Peppering the thread with articles on every botch circumcision that was ever done anywhere?
Let's just face it...your issue isn't the data. Your issue isn't whether or not circumcision is effective at diminishing STD transmission rates. And your issue isn't whether or not circumcision has hygeine benefits.
Your issue is that you have a personal issue with circumcision. That's fine. You have that right and no one is trying to force circumcision on you. But at least address your issue for what it is: an emotional response to a scalpel near a penis. Nothing more.
actually your Skin is the largest ORGAN of the body you call home :2wave:Its not a "part of your body" its ****ing skin.
Stop being melodramatic.
If thats the case Im amputating my hair because it is a perfectly healthy "part of the body".
waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa
OK, I see that rational discussion has left the building.
I don't care if you talk against circumcision. It is, after all, a debate. I just expect a little intellectual honesty.
But, if in the face of your not being able to offer rational points and counterpoints, you feel the need to mock, cry, and whine like a 2 year old, by all means, have at it.
waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa
actually your Skin is the largest ORGAN of the body you call home :2wave:
i and slippery slope tried to debate with you all you do is ignore and post nonsense
i and slippery slope tried to debate with you all you do is ignore and post nonsense
The problem is that you are posting a bunch of emotional garbage and links to improperly performed circumcisions. The circumsision is no more the problem in that case than If I posted a link to a blind person who had an illegal and improperly performed lazer eye surgery in Mexico.
yes anything you disagree with is emotional garbage
Not even close to being accurate. Screaming "ZOMGWTF they're amputating little boys' ability to have fun jerking off, think of the children" is emotional garbage.
And "ZOMGWTF Jebus wants to eat my foreskin" is nothing but emotional garbage.
Counter studies and statistics...not emotional garbage.
i already posted studies and research and stated the obvious that non-circumcising Europe and Japan all have the lowest STD rates and yet you continue to ignore them and post emotional crap while hypocritically accuse me of doing the same
waa waaaa waaa stop talking against circumcision waaaa waaaa waaaaa waaaa waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa
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Moderator's Warning: Notice my warning in post #549? Knock it off.
Is being childish a Breaking News offense? Cause that looks like an infraction if it is.
If that's how you need to see it, pal, go right ahead. However, the record shows that I refrained from personal attacks, stayed on point with the topic, posted empirical evidence, and was reasoned and measured in my responses.
The same cannot be said for you and slippery slope. :shrug:
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