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WHERE IN THE MEDICAL CODE OF ETHICS Justify amputation of healthy body parts for health and hygeinic reasons?
Now that we got your little ad hom problem cleared up...
We remove pieces of the body for health and hygeine already. We cut hair, fingernails, toenails. We remove the tonsils and appendix. We perform cosmetic surgery and we add lap bands to the obese.
Removal of the foreskin is also a far cry from "amputation" which is the removal of a limb. It is an unnecessary and problematic piece of the penis and removal of it, has has been shown by 25 year studies, can have very beneficial effects. A 50% reduction in transmission and contraction of STD's is definitely worth the procedure being done when the child is very young.
Mutilation is nothing more than charged rhetoric meant to vilify and denigrate with hysterical emotional rant rather than have an honest discussion about the health pros and cons of circumcision.
What? It is a religious tradition which, in it's origin, had nothing to do with hygiene. To deny this is... :censoredBull****. It's a hygeine issue as I already pointed out.
Loaded words... Yeah, we shouldn't say what it is really is because then people might start rethinking their position. I thought you cons were against being PC? :dohYou can toss out loaded words like "mutilate" but the fact it, circumcision has been proven to decrease STD's. Until you can refute that, you are just talking out your ass.
In your opinion. The majority of the world, which does not engage in this practice, disagrees with you.Plus, uncircumcised penises are just ugly. They look like some kind of ant-eater or something. That's just not attractive.
Correlation does not suggest causation.
Are there religious.social reasons these men are intact? Is it a larger sample of men? Smaller?
The numbers alone don't tell any tales.
For example, if 86% of uncircumcised men in Swaziland are in a group that forbids any sexual contact outside of marriage under penalty of death, the rates would be high by comparison.
Without any context, those numbers are useless.
Hair and fingernails don't have nerves and blood vessels and cutting those off ARE NOT painfull.
removal of the healthy foreskin is AMPUTATION
and NOT medically necessary NO medical organization around the world say circumcision is medically necessary
and those studies are nothing more than american circumfetisdh propaganda
all of WHICH IGNORES THE HIGH rates of STDS in circumcising U.S.A The Highest in the developed world where most men are circumcised
What? It is a religious tradition which, in it's origin, had nothing to do with hygiene. To deny this is... :censored
The issue of Hygiene came about to stop the questions from the nonreligious or non-Judeo-xians. I'm not going to go as far as claiming it a xian conspiracy but some have.
13. To facilitate the production of dick cheese (aka Smegma).
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Females aren't the topic of discussion, and neither is their dick cheese.
In Africa there are tribes and groups that circumcised boys in initations which signal transition from boyhood to adult manhood and others who don't perform circumcisions
So now we're going to move the goal posts because your absolute was rebutted. OK, but my point stands...we DO remove pieces of the body for hygeine reasons.
No, it is not. It is an excision.
amputation is removal of an entire limb.
But let's not let facts get in the way of a good emotionally hysterical misdirection, now.
Really? Because it seems like the World Health Organization and UNAIDS, two very prominent medical organizations, seem to be promoting cicumcision pretty hard.
Really? got anything more than hyper emotional caterwauling because umm...the studies the WHO and UNAIDS are calling on seem to have been promoted by and overseen by a Belgian, so that just shoots your whole theory out of the water right there, now doesn't it?
Links and facts please?
Canadian-bloke said:Hair and fingernails and toenails DO NOT HAVE nerves and blood vessels
Whose body whose penises? leave the intact boys alone yhe foreskin is a healthy body and an ontegral part of the penis the functions are
Erotic pleasure, especially via the ridged band and Meissner's corpuscles
Acts as a rolling bearing in intercourse and masturbation
Prevents dyspareunia (painful intercourse)
Stimulates partner's genitalia, giving erotic pleasure
Supplies skin to cover the shaft in erection and prevent tightness
Stores pheromones and releases them on arousal
Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants ("smega" and pre-ejaculatory fluid)
Makes the glans a visual signal of sexual arousal
Provides a seal against the vaginal wall to contain semen
Protective
Prevents the glans becoming keratinised, and keeps it soft and moist
Protects the thin-skinned glans against injury
Protects the nerves of the glans, retaining their erotic function
In infancy, protects the urethra against contamination, meatal stenosis, (and UTIs?)
Provides lysosomes for bacteriostatic action around the glans
Pigmented, it protects the unpigmented glans against sunburn
Vascular (rich in blood vessels that bring heat to the tissues), it protects the less vascular glans against frostbite, as Sir Ranulph Fiennes found on his epic transpolar walk.
and Most of the world outside of U.S.A and isreal disagrees and
including Canada
"Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed." The Fetus and Newborn Committee and the Canadian Paediatric Society. March 15, 1996 Recommendations published - CMA Journal.
again no national medical organization recommended circumcision
and there are better way like contraception and sex education to reduce and fight STDs
STD Prevention Today
Despite the fact that a great deal of progress has been made in STD prevention over the past four decades, the United States has the highest rates of STD infection in the industrialized world, making prevention as important as ever.
The U.S centre for disease control
CDC NPIN – STDs – Prevention Today
Yeah, new guy, remember, when making ad homs you must avoid using the persons name. Some people learned this and some people, now designate themselves as selfrighteous hypocrite hall monitors who will report you because they can't be moderators themselves.Now that we got your little ad hom problem cleared up...
No remove tonsils and appendix because they are infected. If your doctor tells you to have your healthy tonsils or appendix removed preemptively, you should RUN not walk away from him/her.We remove pieces of the body for health and hygeine already. We cut hair, fingernails, toenails. We remove the tonsils and appendix. We perform cosmetic surgery and we add lap bands to the obese.
Circumcision does fall within the definition.Removal of the foreskin is also a far cry from "amputation" which is the removal of a limb.
Citations?It is an unnecessary and problematic piece of the penis
citations?and removal of it, has has been shown by 25 year studies, can have very beneficial effects. A 50% reduction in transmission and contraction of STD's is definitely worth the procedure being done when the child is very young.
And afterwords we'll discuss the pros and cons of removing fingers to prevent theft.Mutilation is nothing more than charged rhetoric meant to vilify and denigrate with hysterical emotional rant rather than have an honest discussion about the health pros and cons of circumcision.
Yeah, new guy, remember, when making ad homs you must avoid using the persons name. Some people learned this and some people, now designate themselves as selfrighteous hypocrite hall monitors who will report you because they can't be moderators themselves.
No remove tonsils and appendix because they are infected. If your doctor tells you to have your healthy tonsils or appendix removed preemptively, you should RUN not walk away from him/her.
Hair and nails... need some more straws to grasp at? :roll:
Circumcision does fall within the definition.
Citations?
citations?
Wearing a condom is more effective.
And afterwords we'll discuss the pros and cons of removing fingers to prevent theft.
The honest debate is no debate. Teach your kids to wash their penis/vagina/ass and they will be more healthy instead of mutilating for the sake of ease.
Wow, so even when faced with a bulletin directly from the WHO and UNAIDS that tells you they recommend it, along with a statement detailing who, including national health organizations, was involved, you're really going to keep going with this. Amazing.
None of which rebuts my point, but whatever.
By most of the world, you mean Canada? Because the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, disagrees with Canada.
again no national medical organization recommended circumcision
and there are better way like contraception and sex education to reduce and fight STDs
Most of the world outside of U.S.A and isreal disagrees and
including Canada
and national medical organizations around the world disagree i don't see and hear Japan, Europe and other places where intact males are the norm telling their male citizens to circumcise to prevent STDs.
Well I guess if a ****ing Belgian is in charge of the study and making the recommendations for a joint effort by the entire world, then that's just some American circumfetish propaganda (code for I have a problem making arguments so I will instead caterwaul hyperemotionally and hope it works)?
But please, do impart to us more of your boundlessly wise opinion. Because you sure ain't handing over much in the way of fact.
Alright, here's an idea. You show me what NATIONAL health organizations specifically disagree with circumcision worldwide and we can work from there. Mkay?
But as it stands, you got Canada for anti-circumcision and I got THE WORLD in favor of.
you still have not list one NATIONAL not international NATIONAL medical organization telling thier male citizens to get cut to prevent STDs the key word is NATIONAL
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So it really is about you moving the goal posts around until you find a stalemate for lack of free moves. :doh
You don't get to set the parameters here, chuckles. You asked for a health organization. I gave you the most comprehensive and representative one in the world.
You either refute or fess up to having nothing but this moving the goal posts **** you're doing is epic FAIL.
But it is rather funny to watch considering how you came out on the attack and were discovered to have tiny teeth and dull claws.
National medical organizations unanimously find no proven medical benefit for circumcision and do not recommend it
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