california proposal to make abortion first degree murder

[year2late]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/cali...-Abortion-First-Degree-Murder--443483903.html

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

 

[Bucky]

Thank you.

 

[graeme104]

I'm so glad! I left California last year but I would absolutely sign this if I was still in the state.

 

[Scrabaholic]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

I highly doubt this will ever get enacted in legislation.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/cali...-Abortion-First-Degree-Murder--443483903.html

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

It just confirms that as a very populous state, we have more than our fair share of mouth-breathing neandertards.

 

[year2late]

I highly doubt this will ever get enacted in legislation.

Of course. Outside of the obvious constitutional issues......can you imagine someone crossing state lines with "the wrong kind of birth control"?

Death penalty....here we come.:lamo Oh whoops.

 

[joG]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

Let's wait and read the proposal.

 

[Removable Mind]

I'm so glad! I left California last year but I would absolutely sign this if I was still in the state.

Ah, yet another MAN, who can't get pregnant who would readily deny women their Constitutional Freedoms, (included, but not limited to reproductive freedom)...and self-determination. AND TO BOOT would condemn women to be charged with first degree murder charge for having an abortion.

Pray tell, why do you value the yet to be born more than the born, but more specifically women? Why do you support government having a right to tell women how many children that they should or shouldn't have?

The vast majority of conceptions are brought to full term.

How does abortions performed on women you don't have a clue exists "affect you personally"? How does abortion impact societies anymore than every other form of death that all stages of human life are subject to?

 

[Fearandloathing]

I'm so glad! I left California last year but I would absolutely sign this if I was still in the state.

Why?

Do you have some special gift that allows you to determine what fellow citizens, women can do with their own bodies?

Are you prepared, as a taxpayer, to pay for the cost of raising all u-wanted children or do you imply turn your back to the reality of extreme poverty, no medical coverage and the other **** the poor have to put up with.

And of course don't mind at all that taxpayers cover the medical costs of the birth and accept responsibility for the cost or raising and educating un-wanted children....

 

[Bucky]

Of course. Outside of the obvious constitutional issues......can you imagine someone crossing state lines with "the wrong kind of birth control"?

Death penalty....here we come.:lamo Oh whoops.

Why don't the unborn get a trial? They are given an immediate death sentence without any jury or trial.

A child shouldn't be punished for the sins of her mother. Just flat out.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Why don't the unborn get a trial? They are given an immediate death sentence without any jury or trial.

The unborn are not persons. And they are INSIDE OF AND ATTACHED TO the bodies of women, putting those bodies at great discomfort and pain, potentially impacting their health and potentially causing their death. Abortion is a form of self defense.

A child shouldn't be punished for the sins of her mother. Just flat out.

Children aren't.

Why should a woman be punished for having sex?

 

[year2late]

Why don't the unborn get a trial? They are given an immediate death sentence without any jury or trial.

A child shouldn't be punished for the sins of her mother. Just flat out.

When do you think the zygote....embryo or fetus should get full personhood rights?

 

[LaylaWindu]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

Anti-abortion supporters have been cleared to begin collecting signatures for a proposal that would not only make abortion murder but also seeks to expand the definition of abortion, including forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization, according to a report from the Sacramento Bee.

:shock::doh
As a prolifer if that's true you are right that is some lunatic, insane, fringe group, craziness right there. I would NEVER support such nonsense neither would any of the pro-lifers in the groups I'm in.

Also to answer your question "Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?" No it's not. I'll be really interested to see how accurate this description is, I find it hard to believe people would support this to this extreme.

 

[LaylaWindu]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

Just looked at that dudes facebook "Daniel Ehinger" just about everything about him unhelpful. He won't get his signatures. Makes me sad that THIS is the part of the movement that makes the news. Doesn't just hold true for this issue it holds true for so many issues. Just the extreme whackjobs get the attention and it skews everything.

 

[HowardBThiname]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

It will never happen.

 

[Removable Mind]

Why don't the unborn get a trial? They are given an immediate death sentence without any jury or trial.

A child shouldn't be punished for the sins of her mother. Just flat out.

I'm for the unborn getting a trial - if they are capable of taking the stand on their own behalf and give sworn testimony before both the defense and prosecution.

By the way, what child are you talking about? Children often do testify in family court and in some cases criminal court.

 

[year2late]

:shock::doh
As a prolifer if that's true you are right that is some lunatic, insane, fringe group, craziness right there. I would NEVER support such nonsense neither would any of the pro-lifers in the groups I'm in.

Also to answer your question "Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?" No it's not. I'll be really interested to see how accurate this description is, I find it hard to believe people would support this to this extreme.

I agree. It just makes people they would like to sway roll their eyes. The danger, of course, is that groups of pro-lifers that are trying to go for achievable change (like yours) get looked at as if they are fringe as well.

 

[year2late]

Just looked at that dudes facebook "Daniel Ehinger" just about everything about him unhelpful. He won't get his signatures. Makes me sad that THIS is the part of the movement that makes the news. Doesn't just hold true for this issue it holds true for so many issues. Just the extreme whackjobs get the attention and it skews everything.

I don't know....I don't think it would take too long to get that many signatures.

How many of those proposals that signature collectors outside of Safeway hand out are actually read?

 

[year2late]

It will never happen.

I could easily see it getting on the ballot.

Passing it , I would think would be a no go unless it has a real dishonest campaign.

 

[graeme104]

Why?

Do you have some special gift that allows you to determine what fellow citizens, women can do with their own bodies?

Are you prepared, as a taxpayer, to pay for the cost of raising all u-wanted children or do you imply turn your back to the reality of extreme poverty, no medical coverage and the other **** the poor have to put up with.

And of course don't mind at all that taxpayers cover the medical costs of the birth and accept responsibility for the cost or raising and educating un-wanted children....

To respond to your first point, an unborn baby is not part of a woman's body.

And your second point is moot because if abortions were criminalized, people would have the sense to not sleep around and create unwanted children that then have to go on child support. And if they don't then they pay for their decision. End of story.

 

[year2late]

To respond to your first point, an unborn baby is not part of a woman's body.

And your second point is moot because if abortions were criminalized, people would have the sense to not sleep around and create unwanted children that then have to go on child support. And if they don't then they pay for their decision. End of story.

A fetus exists off the physiology of one specific woman and is attached within via placenta and umbilical cord. If something biologically goes very wrong with either, it can negatively affect the other. Seems like the fetus is part of the woman's body on some level.

The presence of the fetus can cause grave illness for the mother. It certainly did with me. Luckily we both made it out alive....although the fetus that you say was never part of my body left me with medical issues from that episode over 20 years ago.

 

[AGENT J]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

LMAO

lucky we live in a first world country with freedoms and rights and mentally insane imbecilic stupidity like this will never pass

this nonsense is more like 3rd world laws not 1st

 

[calamity]

It just confirms that as a very populous state, we have more than our fair share of mouth-breathing neandertards.

Few people realize just how fast Cali turns into Arizonna, Nevada and Idaho once you drive a few miles away from the coast. Traveling from Bakersfield to San Luis Obispo is like stepping through a wormhole. Or try Stockton to Frisco if you really want to see two worlds in one day.

 

[year2late]

Few people realize just how fast Cali turns into Arizonna, Nevada and Idaho once you drive a few miles away from the coast. Traveling from Bakersfield to San Luis Obispo is like stepping through a wormhole. Or try Stockton to Frisco if you really want to see two worlds in one day.

That is why I think it will have not have much of a problem getting on the ballot.

Of course constitutionally even the most prolife scotus will say "you are kidding me, right?"

 

[faithful_servant]

New California Initiative Could Make Abortion First-Degree Murder - NBC Bay Area

The proposal would also include some forms of birth control and IVF (not sure if IVF in general or the discarded blastocysts).

Seriously? Is this fringe crap helpful to the cause?

I could not find an actual copy of the proposal that could be on the 2018 statewide ballot.

My guess is this gains steam....we will be seeing a number of threads complaining about how the author's business is being affected because potential clients do not want to associate with such a fringe individual.

This is just an idea in a guys head. Nothing more. It hasn't even gotten past the petition phase. Did you even read the article or did you just see a headline and post it???