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Her only concern was whether or not the correct policy was being followed.
If I ever have some kind of emergency, I hope that people don't follow policies that have been formulated by people who know what they're doing, and instead I hope that everybody just does whatever the **** they think is best
Stockboys, admin assts, computer programmers, just do whatever comes to mind!!
Don't worry about me resisting....I"m unconscious
Bayless' family said she was aware that Glenwood Gardens did not offer trained medical staff, yet opted to live there anyway. "It was our beloved mother and grandmother's wish to die naturally and without any kind of life prolonging intervention," said the statement. "We understand that the 911 tape of this event has caused concern, but our family knows that mom had full knowledge of the limitations of Glenwood Gardens and is at peace."
And finally, the police are saying they are investigating and thus far have found nothing illegal in what happened. However, several commenters on these articles have noted it IS illegal for the 911 operators to dispense medical advice, and yet they get away with counselling CPR on a daily basis.
Agreed where in your case these are EMTs answering the phone. However, as you noted, that's not the case everywhere.
What are your thoughts on 911 personnel offerring to take legal culpability for the county? Because that's what this one did. She advised the caller that the county would take any legal heat.
You don't perform CPR on someone who's breathing, even just a little. You give them oxygen. You sure as hell don't perform chest compressions on someone with a pulse.
Well, maybe it's just me, but when I'm 86, and a similar event happens to me, I want that nurse to be there, and I want her to do the same thing- well except for the calling 911 part. I don't want to have my chest pounded on, and I don't want to live on a ventilator with brain damage until someone who loves me has the sense to let me go.
They're evidently feeling some heat along those lines - the community has since come out to clarify that she was not acting in the role of a nurse when she called, so she shouldn't be treated as if she were a nurse.
As a health care worker ya need to follow your facility's policy. If the nurse followed their policy and ya disagree with it, try to change the policy legally. :sun
Policy does not override law. Now if the woman who made the call was not a licensed medical provider (which can range from EMT to any nurse type to doctor and others) then fine policy was followed. But the law requires that a licensed medical provider perform resuscitation efforts unless a DNR is present. If indeed she was licensed she could very well lose it as well as be subject to legal action from the state or federal.
Then wouldn't tha policy makers take responsibility?? If the policy contradicts the law then administration or policy-makers should be held accountable and not the nurse. How else does the nurse survive if policy clashes with law? The pt was 87 and had a DNR so there's more reason not to help. If the nurse violated policy she could get fired or maybe worse. In school you're always taught to follow facility policies and procedures. So many angry peeps don't even work in the health care world so they act on emotions.
But the law requires that a licensed medical provider perform resuscitation efforts unless a DNR is present.
Well ya little peep there's some discrepancies that need ta be gone over a bit.
Age is a little imprtant when you're talking about CPR because of tha damage that can happen. In normal young peeps the practice can break bones in the sternum. Now if you're 87 just imagine tha level a damage and the complications. Yowch.
Tha problem with the issues of legality is that the law doesn't actually allow hands-on nursing ta be given to residents who aren't in skilled nursing facilities like nursing homes. Furthermore tha state and the federal Departments a' Health don't license or regulate independendent living or assisted living homes like tha Glenwood place.
Ya can check Forbes's article too: Nurse Refuses To Give CPR, Senior Dies: Ethical Problem Or Legal Issue? - Forbes
.The press reports that there was no Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) direction in place. It’s a good thing for the facility’s owner Brookdale Senior Living that Ms. Bayliss’s family believed that she wanted “to die naturally and without any kind of life prolonging intervention” as they told the Associated Press. Brookdale’s policy about what the nurse should do in an emergency was sufficiently unclear that Brookdale’s public statement was to the effect that the nurse had “misinterpreted the company’s guidelines.” That sounds like “CYA” in case a family member later changes his or her mind and wants to blame Brookdale for not doing CPR
http://www.krdo.com/news/Calif-woman-dies-after-nurse-refuses-to-perform-CPR/-/417220/19171238/-/149kd5r/-/index.html said:The executive director of Glenwood Gardens, Jeffrey Toomer, defended the nurse's actions, saying she did indeed follow policy.
"In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives," Toomer said in a written statement. "That is the protocol we followed."
If what the nurse did was obviously illegal she woulda been charged already.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/nursing-home-cpr-case_n_2804575.html said:A nurse's refusal to give CPR to a dying 87-year-old woman at a California independent living home despite desperate pleas from a 911 dispatcher has prompted outrage and spawned a criminal investigation.
Maybe the government should license and regulate private and independent non-nursing homes peep? :sun
same article said:She lived in the independent living building, which state officials said is like a senior apartment complex and doesn't operate under licensing oversight.
If she is not a licensed nurse then there is no violation of law to worry about. In fact the law allows for people not to act, but only the general population. The licensed medical providers are still required to.State officials did not know Monday whether the woman who talked to the 911 dispatcher actually was a nurse, or just identified herself as one during the call.
http://smmercury.com/2013/03/13/freethought-san-marcos-cpr-and-end-of-life-decisions/ said:The elderly woman’s family said she was aware that the facility did not offer trained medical staff, yet opted to live there anyway:
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