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[CLAX1911]

Not my argument! I think man made fuels will replace all fuels made from oil, and it will be driven by market forces not government mandates.

Gasoline and kerosene are man made.

When the cheapest fuel at the pump is man made fuel, I know which one people will choose.

The cheapest fuel is man made

BTW it takes lots of carbon to make any hydrocarbon, by mass, gasoline is about 60% carbon!

It also takes energy to bond it.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

I don't think there's a conspiracy Republicans out to get the EV revolution. It's probably 50/50 weather petrochemical companies make more or less money because we use mostly natural gas to produce are electricity renewables can't touch natural gas even in how much better for the environment it is.

Destroying the environment to build windmills is more about being vindictive than it is about helping anything or anyone.

Fossil fuel companies have known about the devastating effects of climate change for a very long time. While at the same time spent massive amounts of money on delaying the transition.

Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy,' Harvard researchers say

In the study, scientists showed how the multinational energy giant worked to cloud the issue.

news.harvard.edu

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

Energy companies stand accused of trying to downplay their contribution to global warming.

www.bbc.com

While there now a rapid transition towards renewable energy. With more electricity from renewables than gas globally. While also families and business in Republican states sees the benefits with wind and solar power.

Trump hates wind power. But these Texas Republicans are embracing it

Wind turbines have become a financial lifeline in rural areas, but state legislators are now targeting them

www.theguardian.com

Clean energy generates major economic benefits, especially in red states » Yale Climate Connections

But a Trump-era funding freeze could disrupt investments in clean energy projects.

yaleclimateconnections.org

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Why did battery electric cars not take over in the 70's oil crises, OH for the same reason, the technology was not ready!
How about don't try to dictate how other people should live?

There are now rapid technology advancements in electric cars with for example more affordable cars also in Europe.

Record number of EVs registered in western Europe across last quarter

Nearly 600,000 BEVs hit the road as carmakers such as Renault and Stellantis attract more price-sensitive buyers

www.theguardian.com

The transition towards electric cars could have come a lot sooner if it hadn't been for the massive opposition from car companies, oil companies and Republican politicians.

Who Killed the Electric Car? - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CLAX1911]

Fossil fuel companies have known about the devastating effects of climate change for a very long time.

Yeah the climate's been changing for $25,000 years probably millions of years.

While at the same time spent massive amounts of money to delay the transition.

A transition much more devastating to the ecosystem they have a monetary interest in it but I think that's a good thing

Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy,' Harvard researchers say

In the study, scientists showed how the multinational energy giant worked to cloud the issue.

news.harvard.edu

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

Energy companies stand accused of trying to downplay their contribution to global warming.

www.bbc.com

While there now a rapid transition towards renewable energy.

No we're not there's no such thing as renewable energy.

With more electricity from renewables than fossil fuel globally. While also families and business in Republican states sees the benefits with wind and solar power.

Renewable energy is propaganda to make you feel better about destroying certain habitats and migratory birds and various places with chemical residues.

Kind of like how corporations that made plastic bottles and lied to you about recycling so you'd feel better about throwing it away.

Trump hates wind power. But these Texas Republicans are embracing it

Wind turbines have become a financial lifeline in rural areas, but state legislators are now targeting them

www.theguardian.com

Clean energy generates major economic benefits, especially in red states » Yale Climate Connections

But a Trump-era funding freeze could disrupt investments in clean energy projects.

yaleclimateconnections.org

Clean energy of course being nuclear power nothing even comes close to that.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Yeah the climate's been changing for $25,000 years probably millions of years.

A transition much more devastating to the ecosystem they have a monetary interest in it but I think that's a good thing

No we're not there's no such thing as renewable energy.

Renewable energy is propaganda to make you feel better about destroying certain habitats and migratory birds and various places with chemical residues.

Kind of like how corporations that made plastic bottles and lied to you about recycling so you'd feel better about throwing it away.

Clean energy of course being nuclear power nothing even comes close to that.

The environmental and social costs of fossil fuels are trillions of dollars each year. With renewable energy being much more sustainable and their are a lot of progress of making renewables even more sustainable.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies Surged to Record $7 Trillion

Scaling back subsidies would reduce air pollution, generate revenue, and make a major contribution to slowing climate change

www.imf.org

Nuclear power have barely increased since 2000 and less electricity is produced from nuclear than gas. While there have been and is a rapid transition towards renewable energy so renewables will soon be the biggest source of electricity globally.

IEA: Renewables will be world’s top power source ‘by 2026’ - Carbon Brief

Renewable energy will overtake coal to become the world’s top source of electricity “by 2026 at the latest”, according to new IEA forecasts.

www.carbonbrief.org

 

[CLAX1911]

The environmental and social costs of fossil fuels are trillions of dollars each year.

I'm not part of that religion.

With renewable energy being much more sustainable and their are a lot of progress of making renewables even more sustainable.

There's no such thing as renewable energies and they're not sustainable not without a ton of infrastructure

Fossil Fuel Subsidies Surged to Record $7 Trillion

Scaling back subsidies would reduce air pollution, generate revenue, and make a major contribution to slowing climate change

www.imf.org

Nuclear power have barely increased since 2000 and less electricity is produced from nuclear than gas.

That's not because it's not capable that's because of lack of development the religious people that want windmills and solar plants argue that nuclear power is dangerous I would argue more people are killed per megawatt hour with wind generated energy than in the entire history of nuclear energy in our country. So saying it's dangerous and that's halting its development is just lies

Why would you need to lie if your phony renewable is worth so much better?

While there have been and is a rapid transition towards renewable energy so renewables will soon be the biggest source of electricity globally.

There's no such thing as renewable energy.

IEA: Renewables will be world’s top power source ‘by 2026’ - Carbon Brief

Renewable energy will overtake coal to become the world’s top source of electricity “by 2026 at the latest”, according to new IEA forecasts.

www.carbonbrief.org

 

[longview]

Gasoline and kerosene are man made.

The cheapest fuel is man made

It also takes energy to bond it.

Not exactly, they are refined from oil, but they can be made from hydrogen and carbon.
The exact ratio of carbon to hydrogen can be adjusted to the desired fuel needed.

The only difference I am talking about is the refinery feedstock, I think as oil continues to increase in price,
there will come a time where it is more profitable for a refinery to create their own feedstock from CO2 and water,
than it is to purchase oil. I also think that price point is much closer than people think.

Of course it take more energy to create the fuel than you get out of it, it always did, but there is enormous benefit
in storing non dispatchable electricity as portable high energy density transport fuels.

 

[longview]

There are now rapid technology advancements in electric cars with for example more affordable cars also in Europe.

Record number of EVs registered in western Europe across last quarter

Nearly 600,000 BEVs hit the road as carmakers such as Renault and Stellantis attract more price-sensitive buyers

www.theguardian.com

The transition towards electric cars could have come a lot sooner if it hadn't been for the massive opposition from car companies, oil companies and Republican politicians.

Who Killed the Electric Car? - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And every energy saving aspect of Battery Electric cars, can be used to make hydrocarbon cars more viable.
You may want a battery electric car, I do not! Buy what you want, no one is stopping you, but do not dictate to me what I need.
You of course answered the question of why they did not implement man made fuels in the 1970's oil crises,
the technology was not ready yet!

 

[CLAX1911]

Not exactly, they are refined from oil, but they can be made from hydrogen and carbon.

Any material ever to exist in the history of the universe is either naturally occurring or refined we can't produce matter that doesn't happen.

In this instance there is no man-made anything ever it's all just refined.

The exact ratio of carbon to hydrogen can be adjusted to the desired fuel needed.

And your fabricating this out of subatomic particles or are you refining something?

The only difference I am talking about is the refinery feedstock, I think as oil continues to increase in price,

To all refined fuels are man-made if they're not show me the 87 octane gasoline spring.

there will come a time where it is more profitable for a refinery to create their own feedstock from CO2 and water,
than it is to purchase oil. I also think that price point is much closer than people think.

So it's just refining a fuel out of something else it's not man-made any more than kerosene or gasoline is

This seems to me like one of those things that there's enough energy on the atomic level in a paperclip to power an entire city but it takes almost that much energy that you're going to extract to do it.

Of course it take more energy to create the fuel than you get out of it, it always did, but there is enormous benefit

But you're just talking about refining it you're not talking about creating atomic particles and stitching them together through some man-made process so just a different source for raw materials.

in storing non dispatchable electricity as portable high energy density transport fuels.

Yeah I know this is some sort of pipe dream before to make solar not a stupid idea but I think your little idea here is far-fetched.

You don't even understand that gasoline is man-made or that refining fuels from other sources is just refining it

 

[CLAX1911]

And every energy saving aspect of Battery Electric cars, can be used to make hydrocarbon cars more viable.
You may want a battery electric car, I do not! Buy what you want, no one is stopping you, but do not dictate to me what I need.
You of course answered the question of why they did not implement man made fuels in the 1970's oil crises,
the technology was not ready yet

Piercing Diesel and gasoline are man-made as an animated as any other fuel you refined out of material that already exists.

If you have the capacity to fabricate matter out of nothing then you can just make a star.

 

[longview]

Piercing Diesel and gasoline are man-made as an animated as any other fuel you refined out of material that already exists.

If you have the capacity to fabricate matter out of nothing then you can just make a star.

Nothing is being fabricated out of nothing, the atoms all existed, we are just arranging them in a desirable pattern!

 

[CLAX1911]

Nothing is being fabricated out of nothing, the atoms all existed, we are just arranging them in a desirable pattern!

So it's refining.

 

[longview]

So it's refining.

Once they create olefins from harvested carbon and hydrogen, the downstream processes are exactly the same, the only difference is the source of the olefins.

 

[CLAX1911]

Once they create olefins from harvested carbon and hydrogen, the downstream processes are exactly the same, the only difference is the source of the olefins.

Right so equally as man-made is kerosene and gasoline.

 

[longview]

Right so equally as man-made is kerosene and gasoline.

Not the same process, but the same as used for each post cracking!

 

[CLAX1911]

Not the same process, but the same as used for each post cracking!

Unless you can show me the natural kerosene spring kerosene and gasoline are man-made.

Singing they're made out of something that's naturally occurring or no shit everything is.

Also with this really a far-fetched manufacturing of hydrocarbon based products are you going to make plastics this way because those are made out of Petra chemical and there's a still a demand for those all the waste product which would be guessing and kerosene or just be dumped out somewhere.

 

[BabaVoss]

China is way ahead of everyone in EV technology.
Damn shame.
The US could have been a leader in that space.
Still could, but it's looking less and less likely.

 

[CLAX1911]

China is way ahead of everyone in EV technology.
Damn shame.
The US could have been a leader in that space.
Still could, but it's looking less and less likely.

The leader in second rate garbage no we'll let China have that.

This just happened at a port full of EVs

 

[longview]

Unless you can show me the natural kerosene spring kerosene and gasoline are man-made.

Singing they're made out of something that's naturally occurring or no shit everything is.

Also with this really a far-fetched manufacturing of hydrocarbon based products are you going to make plastics this way because those are made out of Petra chemical and there's a still a demand for those all the waste product which would be guessing and kerosene or just be dumped out somewhere.

The difference is that true refining is separating out different hydrocarbons from oil. This is very different that combining hydrogen and carbon to make the hydrocarbon of choice.
Actual refining has not been done for a long time, since they found out how to crack oil, and increase the yield of a chosen fuel.

 

[CLAX1911]

The difference is that true refining is separating out different hydrocarbons from oil. This is very different that combining hydrogen and carbon to make the hydrocarbon of choice.

The difference is the raw materials you start with. That's everything that's man made

Actual refining has not been done for a long time, since they found out how to crack oil, and increase the yield of a chosen fuel.

And you're essentially talking about atom stacking

 

[longview]

The difference is the raw materials you start with. That's everything that's man made

And you're essentially talking about atom stacking

Sort of but refining out a higher quality of a natural substance is different that building something from atomic building blocks.

I am talking about the exact same process used downstream from cracking units every day! The only real difference is the source of the olefins.
What is important is that the consumer will still have access to the high energy density fuels they currently have.