Buy a gun but vote anti-gun?

[Artymoon]

I was watching and reading various articles today after the run-off elections in GA when the thought sank in that the U.S. saw a historic increase of brand new gun owners this past year. I have no idea of political affiliation of said buyers but my feeling is most of them don't lean right. Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen. If my feeling is right, I cannot square how folks could rush out and purchase a new gun this year but yet vote for anti-gun politicians who've stated exactly what they would like to do if elected.

As a side note, If we thought finding ammo was tough now, just wait.

 

[Mr Person]

Tons of gun owners support reasonable gun control.

It's just that the gun nuts - the ones who act like the 2nd Amd right should be the only absolute one - have the loudest, most obnoxious voices.



Dumbing things down to "pro-gun" or "anti-gun" is stupid and lazy.

 

[Artymoon]

Tons of gun owners support reasonable gun control.

It's just that the gun nuts - the ones who act like the 2nd Amd right should be the only absolute one - have the loudest, most obnoxious voices.



Dumbing things down to "pro-gun" or "anti-gun" is stupid and lazy.

I believe we have reasonable gun control already. To some, reasonable gun control is a total ban. The group mentioned in my OP seem to fall in the total ban if I could category IMO.

FYI, calling folks gun nuts is stupid and lazy. But I'm guessing you already knew that...

 

[Rich2018]

I was watching and reading various articles today after the run-off elections in GA when the thought sank in that the U.S. saw a historic increase of brand new gun owners this past year. I have no idea of political affiliation of said buyers but my feeling is most of them don't lean right. Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen. If my feeling is right, I cannot square how folks could rush out and purchase a new gun this year but yet vote for anti-gun politicians who've stated exactly what they would like to do if elected.

As a side note, If we thought finding ammo was tough now, just wait.

Maybe the past election was more than a single issue vote ?

 

[Artymoon]

Maybe the past election was more than a single issue vote ?

I think the single issue for most was removing Trump. But I would hope most people have more than a single issue that defines them. What I've been able to interpret is that a lot of these new gun owners stemmed from a potential hyper gun control administration in Biden/Harris. And then it seems a lot went out and voted for them. I just struggle to make sense of that.

 

[Rich2018]

I think the single issue for most was removing Trump...

Absolutely

And in particular his incompetence in handling COVID-19

But I would hope most people have more than a single issue that defines them. What I've been able to interpret is that a lot of these new gun owners stemmed from a potential hyper gun control administration in Biden/Harris. And then it seems a lot went out and voted for them. I just struggle to make sense of that.

Why would a person struggling under COVID and its ramifications, vote for Trump just because he favors gun ownership ?

The priority was to get a competent leadership in Washington DC.

 

[Artymoon]

Absolutely

And in particular his incompetence in handling COVID-19



Why would a person struggling under COVID and its ramifications, vote for Trump just because he favors gun ownership ?

The priority was to get a competent leadership in Washington DC.

You think that Biden is gonna come in, snap his fingers Thanos style and rid the world of Covid? If a "competent" leader was the goal, there was a line starting over there and Biden wasn't in the front.

The priority was to remove Trump, consequences be damned. I can actually understand that motivation. My thought was why even buy a gun if you're going to vote for someone who wants to take them away? Why waste your money?

 

[Rich2018]

You think that Biden is gonna come in, snap his fingers Thanos style and rid the world of Covid? If a "competent" leader was the goal, there was a line starting over there and Biden wasn't in the front.

No, it will take a lot of hard work

Work that Joe Biden will be prepared to do

Work that Trump was not (or indeed competent to carry out in the 1st place)

The priority was to remove Trump, consequences be damned. I can actually understand that motivation. My thought was why even buy a gun if you're going to vote for someone who wants to take them away? Why waste your money?

Because as you say, getting rid of Trump was a higher priority than the preservation of gun ownership.

 

[TurtleDude]

some of the older Democrats remember what happened the last time the Democrats pushed a federal gun ban. However, the legal atmosphere is different then, so I doubt a gun ban will survive a Heller challenge.

 

[btthegreat]

You think that Biden is gonna come in, snap his fingers Thanos style and rid the world of Covid? If a "competent" leader was the goal, there was a line starting over there and Biden wasn't in the front.

The priority was to remove Trump, consequences be damned. I can actually understand that motivation. My thought was why even buy a gun if you're going to vote for someone who wants to take them away? Why waste your money?

Because Joe Biden has never wanted to take them away unless we are talking about assault weapons. Its never been his position, and never will be his position. Once again you have bought into an oversimplification. Use direct quotes in context ( heres a link https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/), or alternately use the Democratic party platform language in context. You will not find some total ban on gun ownership in either. That means these positions are far more nuanced than you are leading us to believe. Get specific. Dig into the details and find out what Biden believes with respect to gun control. I think you will find its more about closing the Charleston loophole. tort law/ liability issues, broadening the registration law to cover more than total bans of most common guns and rifles.

 

[TurtleDude]

Because Joe Biden has never wanted to take them away. Its never been his position, and never will be his position. Once again you have bought into an oversimplification. Use direct quotes in context, or alternately use the Democratic party platform language in context. You will not find some total ban on gun ownership in either. That means these positions are far more nuanced than you are leading us to believe. Get specific. Dig into the details and find out what Biden believes with respect to gun control. I think you will find its more about local decision-making, 'states'rights' and gun registration and regulation than total bans of most common guns and rifles.

you are either ignorant of his platform or not being truthful. He says he wants to ban the sale of semi auto rifles, buy back the ones in private possession, and if people won't sell them to the government, forcing owners to PAY 200 dollars EACH RIFLE AND EACH MAGAZINE, register them with the ATF and allow the ATF warrantless searches of your premises to inspect the firearms and magazines.

 

[btthegreat]

you are either ignorant of his platform or not being truthful. He says he wants to ban the sale of semi auto rifles, buy back the ones in private possession, and if people won't sell them to the government, forcing owners to PAY 200 dollars EACH RIFLE AND EACH MAGAZINE, register them with the ATF and allow the ATF warrantless searches of your premises to inspect the firearms and magazines.

Then what you have at the very most is a 'ban' on some very specific 'assault gun ban , not a 'gun ban' and you damn well know that this represents a small sliver of what people use to hunt or for self protection. I supplied the link above. Use it, and its words in context because I can read the english language that is sitting right in there.

 

[TurtleDude]

Then what you have at the very most is a 'ban' on some very specific 'assault gun ban , not a 'gun ban' and you damn well know that this represents a small sliver of what people use to hunt or for self protection. I supplied the link above. Use it, and its words in context because I can read the english language that is sitting right in there.

if guns that have been commonly owned by private citizens for over 100 years, and are used in less than 1% of the murders can be banned-what is next. Handguns which are used in 80% of the homicides involving firearms? shotguns which are used in more murders than "assault weapons"? Hunting has NOTHING to do with the second amendment.

 

[TurtleDude]

One of the lamest arguments is when Democrats claim they don't want to ban ALL guns (now). but if you use their reasoning, what do you see

"semi auto rifles"-called "assault weapons" by the dishonest

1) have been in common use for 100+ years

2) are rarely used in crime-less than 1% of all murders

Dems want to ban them

so where does that leave say handguns which are used in 80% of firearms homicides? Or shotguns, which are used in far more murders than "assault weapons? if preventing "criminals" from getting weapons used to commit crimes-why would Democrats stop with expensive, hard to conceal rifles, that are rarely used in crime?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen.

You guys said the same thing about Obama, and all that happened is people spent the rent money on bullets, driving the cost up to the point where plinking for fun was no longer an option.

Best propaganda Colt ever came up with.

 

[TurtleDude]

You guys said the same thing about Obama, and all that happened is people spent the rent money on bullets, driving the cost up to the point where plinking for fun was no longer an option.

Best propaganda Colt ever came up with.

Obama wanted to reinstitute the Clinton gun ban and magazine ban but Harry Reid was worried about losing his position as senate majority leader and his senate seat so the two years Obama had both houses, Reid wouldn't allow the oft introduced gun bans to get through the senate

 

[Casper]

I was watching and reading various articles today after the run-off elections in GA when the thought sank in that the U.S. saw a historic increase of brand new gun owners this past year. I have no idea of political affiliation of said buyers but my feeling is most of them don't lean right. Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen. If my feeling is right, I cannot square how folks could rush out and purchase a new gun this year but yet vote for anti-gun politicians who've stated exactly what they would like to do if elected.

As a side note, If we thought finding ammo was tough now, just wait.

It comes down to this, most voters are not one issue voters, and there ya go.
Now as for being anti-gun, I agree in part but I will remind you that we here this every election and the claim really does not match the reality with what happens.
With Biden, who knows, I can see them doing a California thing, but a total ban nope, and who knows about registration since it simply would be impossible logistics wise not to mention non-compliance. All we can do is wait and see and try to be stocked up, which we should have been already.

 

[Casper]

some of the older Democrats remember what happened the last time the Democrats pushed a federal gun ban. However, the legal atmosphere is different then, so I doubt a gun ban will survive a Heller challenge.

Correct, one of the good things about having a conservative SC.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Then what you have at the very most is a 'ban' on some very specific 'assault gun ban , not a 'gun ban' and you damn well know that this represents a small sliver of what people use to hunt or for self protection. I supplied the link above. Use it, and its words in context because I can read the english language that is sitting right in there.

"Semi auto rifles" is not something very specific. It's a massive category, and the most popular by far.

 

[TurtleDude]

"Semi auto rifles" is not something very specific. It's a massive category, and the most popular by far.

the democrats have loose definitions that basically allow them to ban anything that takes a magazine and is a semi auto

 

[Integrityrespec]

I was watching and reading various articles today after the run-off elections in GA when the thought sank in that the U.S. saw a historic increase of brand new gun owners this past year. I have no idea of political affiliation of said buyers but my feeling is most of them don't lean right. Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen. If my feeling is right, I cannot square how folks could rush out and purchase a new gun this year but yet vote for anti-gun politicians who've stated exactly what they would like to do if elected.

As a side note, If we thought finding ammo was tough now, just wait.

If you put any stock in the effect mail in ballots had on the election, you could see how it might happen. There is a reason the democrats don't want a true accounting of the mail in votes, signatures and a following of the state election laws, dates and signature verification. People with nothing to hide, don't hide anything.

 

[TurtleDude]

If you put any stock in the effect mail in ballots had on the election, you could see how it might happen. There is a reason the democrats don't want a true accounting of the mail in votes, signatures and a following of the state election laws, dates and signature verification. People with nothing to hide, don't hide anything.

I think the states run by the GOP will jettison those mail in votes ASAP. there is no doubt that cost the GOP the white house and the senate.

 

[lwf]

I was watching and reading various articles today after the run-off elections in GA when the thought sank in that the U.S. saw a historic increase of brand new gun owners this past year. I have no idea of political affiliation of said buyers but my feeling is most of them don't lean right. Today, we are on the cusp of having the most anti-gun Administration and Congress that this country has ever seen. If my feeling is right, I cannot square how folks could rush out and purchase a new gun this year but yet vote for anti-gun politicians who've stated exactly what they would like to do if elected.

As a side note, If we thought finding ammo was tough now, just wait.

Remember when Obama was going to take everyone's guns? 8 years of a hard left leaning Obama administration didn't make guns any harder to get. Aside from a few toothless extremists, the Democratic Party as a whole is not anti-gun in spite of what you hear in the conservative echo chambers. They are pro common sense gun laws. The whole conservative fear that liberals are going to repeal the second amendment is comparable to the liberal fear that conservatives are going to make Christianity the national religion. You can find no shortage of nuts on either side who call for these things, but they're never going to happen.

 

[lwf]

If you put any stock in the effect mail in ballots had on the election, you could see how it might happen. There is a reason the democrats don't want a true accounting of the mail in votes, signatures and a following of the state election laws, dates and signature verification. People with nothing to hide, don't hide anything.

There is a true accounting. Mail in votes are no more susceptible to voter fraud than in person votes, and nowhere they have been instituted have there been problems with fraud. The ONLY reason republicans don't like them is because they are the rich minority, and making it easier for poorer working people to vote makes it harder for them to win elections.

 

[TurtleDude]

Remember when Obama was going to take everyone's guns? 8 years of a hard left leaning Obama administration didn't make guns any harder to get. Aside from a few toothless extremists, the Democratic Party as a whole is not anti-gun in spite of what you hear in the conservative echo chambers. They are pro common sense gun laws. The whole conservative fear that liberals are going to repeal the second amendment is comparable to the liberal fear that conservatives are going to make Christianity the national religion. You can find no shortage of nuts on either side who call for these things, but they're never going to happen.

lets fill in the history a bit. In 2009-2011, the democrats had the white house and both houses. Numerous gun bans were introduced but the Democrat majority leader-Harry Reid, was more interested in keeping his positions as majority leader and as a senator-both of which he figured he might well lose (as the Democrats did in 1994 after the dems passed a gun ban). So Obama never had a bill to sign. after that, the GOP took the house and the senate and gun bans were DOA.


If you want to claim crap like making owners of semi auto rifles register them and pay 200 dollars for each rifle and EACH magazine, banning on line or mail sales of gun parts and Ammo, and banning the sale of semi auto rifles and 10+ round magazines, your concept of REASONABLE gun control is pretty awful