alphieb
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alphieb said:By the time Bush's term is up can you imagine what kind of shape we will be in? It really scares me. Our economy will be the worst since the Great Depression. I wonder if we will STILL be in Iraq. It is going to continue to cost $$$$$$$$$$$ and more lives. He has no business being in office. His presidential skills are as good as his OIL BUSINESS GIG. We are headed for a bad recession. It will take a Democrat to bail us out as did it after his father was in office.
http://www.eldamar.net/house/ht/screenHowTo.htmlTrajan Octavian Titus said:A) Economy in the worst shape? Facts and figures please not rhetoric.
B) So the person elected to be president has no business being in office?
C) By Bush senior getting bailed out by Clinton perhaps you mean Clinton following up on the same economic policies as Bush because one of the major reasons Bush wasn't reelected was because he broke that promise of no new taxes and trying to cross party lines and being all chummy with the Dems. And the only reason why Clinton was elected was because he pretended to be a conservative.
I can tell I'm going to have fun with you, people who are totally ignorant of the issues always come up with best statements for me to use as cannon fodder.
alphieb said:http://www.eldamar.net/house/ht/screenHowTo.html
Likewise,
Clinton has not been in office for over six years and people like you are blaming him now in 2005 for our economic problems.....what a joke. You probably would like to blame him for OPERATION DESERT STORM THE SEQUEL aka economic devastation. That little tard in the white house will cause more problems. Why are we in Iraq? Why haven't we found bin laden? Are we even looking?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Hay hypocrit you're the one who brought up Bush senior and Clinton and why shouldn't I bring up the fact that Clintons mismanagement of the economy led to the tech bubble popping and the recession that Bush pulled us out of with his tax cuts. It's called reaganomics look it up. It's the Democrats with their tax and spend socialist policies that always lead our economy into stagnation, inflation, and recession. And what's the deal with your link?
And look up at my last post which I edited to put a little damper in your whole shitty economy theory.
aps said:LOL It sure seemed as though you were trying awfully hard to rebutt the initial post. Do you know what that tells me? You thought that such statement had some validity--otherwise, you would have dismissed it.
alphieb said:By the time Bush's term is up can you imagine what kind of shape we will be in? It really scares me. Our economy will be the worst since the Great Depression. I wonder if we will STILL be in Iraq. It is going to continue to cost $$$$$$$$$$$ and more lives. He has no business being in office. His presidential skills are as good as his OIL BUSINESS GIG. We are headed for a bad recession. It will take a Democrat to bail us out as did it after his father was in office.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:So disproving bullshit means I agree with it? Wow that's some circular logic you got going for you how's that working out?
Oh, and by the way everything save for the article, which I had already read and knew exactly where to find, was off the top of my head no effort went into it at all.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Hay hypocrit you're the one who brought up Bush senior and Clinton and why shouldn't I bring up the fact that Clintons mismanagement of the economy led to the tech bubble popping and the recession that Bush pulled us out of with his tax cuts. It's called reaganomics look it up. It's the Democrats with their tax and spend socialist policies that always lead our economy into stagnation, inflation, and recession. And what's the deal with your link?
And look up at my last post which I edited to put a little damper in your whole shitty economy theory.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:And the only reason why Clinton was elected was because he pretended to be a conservative.
tecoyah said:Clinton was a hell of a lot closer to the Conservative Ideal than Bush is....hands down
Hell I might even be a conservative if it were not for the way the movement has become tied to the guy.
bullshit......Clinton was a flaming conservative......Bush is a pretend to be what the public wants. Without his own identity or ideas. He is a spoiled brat who never had to work for ANYTHING........that is why he does not know the value of a dollar (unnecessary war). Our own economy is sacrificed. No wonder he got re-elected, the average IQ is 100 same as him. Not to mention he lacks articulation, because he is not that bright........obviously. He even looks stupid.Trajan Octavian Titus said:Clinton was not a conservative he was a freaking socialist.
alphieb said:bullshit......Clinton was a flaming conservative......Bush is a pretend to be what the public wants. Without his own identity or ideas. He is a spoiled brat who never had to work for ANYTHING........that is why he does not know the value of a dollar (unnecessary war). Our own economy is sacrificed. No wonder he got re-elected, the average IQ is 100 same as him. Not to mention he lacks articulation, because he is not that bright........obviously. He even looks stupid.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I never said Bush is a conservative. But Clinton is just as far from being a conservative as is GWB.
Wow a long string of ad-hominen attacks with no substantiating evidence way to go.
alphieb said:You said "Clinton was a socialist" He was not. How can you back up an idiot like Bush? His ratings have gone WAY DOWN........AND WHY DO THINK THAT IS?
aps said:No it doesn't mean you agree with it. You're worried that it has some truth to it, so you look to debunk the argument. A couple of websites would have been sufficient for your argument; however, the # of websites you posted made me think you were clearly defensive on this topic. Those who are so sure of their argument would not need to provide as much evidence as you did, particularly when the initial poster made statements without providing any evidence to back them up.
Oh, that's off the top of you head? LOL Guess you have been prepared for these arguments that you have so many websites off the top of your head to refute them. Interesting...................
aps said:No it doesn't mean you agree with it. You're worried that it has some truth to it, so you look to debunk the argument. A couple of websites would have been sufficient for your argument; however, the # of websites you posted made me think you were clearly defensive on this topic. Those who are so sure of their argument would not need to provide as much evidence as you did, particularly when the initial poster made statements without providing any evidence to back them up.
Oh, that's off the top of you head? LOL Guess you have been prepared for these arguments that you have so many websites off the top of your head to refute them. Interesting...................
alphieb said:"Hey hypocrite" name calling....tsk.....tsk...tsk. "the tech bubble popping" ?that wasn't Clintons doing. That is called the thundering herd my friend. That was in no way on Clinton's watch anyway. That was a post 9/11 scare. It was a bunch of idiots running like hell from the market which caused it to somewhat crash. The financial disaster is created by Mr. brilliance and war hungry attitude which cost a lot of money. That also caused the thundering herd to run. They have ran to realistate which is about to burst itself. "inflation" huh we are now entering inflation. Why do you think interest rates are going up. Get your facts straight. The market always increases close to Christmas that is simple economics.
alphieb said:By the time Bush's term is up can you imagine what kind of shape we will be in? It really scares me. Our economy will be the worst since the Great Depression. I wonder if we will STILL be in Iraq. It is going to continue to cost $$$$$$$$$$$ and more lives. He has no business being in office. His presidential skills are as good as his OIL BUSINESS GIG. We are headed for a bad recession. It will take a Democrat to bail us out as did it after his father was in office.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Nationalized health care system, increased the welfare state, tax and spend policies, seems pretty socialist to me.
Secondly this is what we call an ad-hominem fallacy you attack Bush by claiming he's an idiot without backing it up with evidence.
Thirdly I don't swing my support or lack therof on the issues because of poll numbers unlike slick Willy.
Fouthly, the only polls that matter are the ones we hold every four years, you know . . . the presidential elections?
Iriemon said:Bush has increase spending twice as fast as during Clinton years.
I remember a time when "conservative" fiscal policy meant you didn't spend more than you brought in and you ran balanced budgets. I guess those days are long gone. That's why I no longer consider myself a conservative.
tecoyah said:Clinton was a hell of a lot closer to the Conservative Ideal than Bush is....hands down
Hell I might even be a conservative if it were not for the way the movement has become tied to the guy.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:No hypocrit :mrgreen: the recession was due to Clinon's energy policies or lack therof:
Clinton Recession: 'Bill' Comes Due for 8 Years of Corruption
Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, March 21, 2001
Despite the media effort to pin the 2001 recession on President Bush, the fact remains that he had little to do with the last eight years of economic policy from the White House. The infamous miracle bubble of Bill Clinton's economy burst last summer when OPEC oil price increases rocked the world economy.
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Stu Ghatze said:Clinton was a "PHONEY" ..posing, & campaigning as a centrist just like his wife Hillary is doing at the moment!
Why?: Because liberals have to campaign as "something" other than what they really are in order to win.
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Huh huh...PHONEY, PHONEY, & PHONEY!:2razz:
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