You're the one arguing that there's something wrong with them if they want to kill themselves. I said that there isn't necessarily something wrong with them and assuming that deciding on suicide, in and of itself, is enough to conclude some mental or emotional aberration, is an irrational position to take.
Jello has like 10 freakin' calories. Nobody's gonna go fatty on Jello.
There isn't anything wrong with them... they just have a more serious issue of depression (for example) than the average person. I literally can't imagine any person taking their life that isn't depressed in some manner or another. Can you give an esample of a person fully alert, with no issues at all, logically concludes to end their happy life and die?
I've always told my kids that I would never be upset with them for defending themselves. I don't expect anyone to take a beating physically or verbally and not defend themselves.
Somebody facing 30 years in prison.
Same here... a few months ago while at the community pool some girls were bullying my daughter who was on a floaty by herself (nine years old). One of the girls put her feet on my girl's shoulders to push her off. I was watching for a few minutes prior to that to see how my daughter would handle it but that got me over there. I told the girl off pretty harshly and informed her that she is lucky I got over there 'cause my daughter would have beat the crap out of her... My girls take jui-jitsu, it turns out her dad was standing right next to me. Didn't know it at the time but when I was told that I stared the guy down. Anyway, I told my daughter that she is free to defend herself.
Well, this turned out to be an interesting thread. How many people here weren't physically bullied, but were otherwise?
Same here... a few months ago while at the community pool some girls were bullying my daughter who was on a floaty by herself (nine years old). One of the girls put her feet on my girl's shoulders to push her off. I was watching for a few minutes prior to that to see how my daughter would handle it but that got me over there. I told the girl off pretty harshly and informed her that she is lucky I got over there 'cause my daughter would have beat the crap out of her... My girls take jui-jitsu, it turns out her dad was standing right next to me. Didn't know it at the time but when I was told that I stared the guy down. Anyway, I told my daughter that she is free to defend herself.
Not the same. When someone is assaulted, there needs to be intervention. Getting your ass kicked, pushed down a flight of stairs, etc. need to be addressed regardless of circumstances. What I'm saying is that we don't need legislature that's going to criminalize the quarterback knocking your trapper keeper out of your hands in the hall, or having a mean name written on a piece of paper and put on your locker. There are people out there that think we need to call a cop if you get hit with Jello from across the lunch hall.
This is how I know I'd make an awful parent. I would've waited to watch my daughter beat the hell out of the other girl and enjoyed every moment of it.
The main reason I stepped in was because they were in the deep end of the pool. If they were out I would have watched longer...
When both my kids were in middle school, my son came home and asked me if I'd be mad if he beat someone up. I stopped what I was doing, turned around and asked him why.
He said he was going to take care of a kid that was constantly bullying my daughter. He was calling her a whore, slut, trashy, etc... she never mentioned it to me, but her brother had witnessed it and had stepped in.
Apparently, it had been going on awhile and this other kid was enlisting cronies to jump in.
I told him I wouldn't be upset if he said something, but he was not to just go up to the kid and lay him out unless this other kid took first shot.
Turns out, he confronted this boy and two of his friends, and she didn't have an issue again. Now if it'd turned out differently, I would've contacted the school, but historically they do nothing.
I would have no issue with either of them standing up for themselves or each other in a situation like that.
Okay, so what's the problem? Hopefully something more than this:
There isn't anything wrong with them... they just have a more serious issue of depression (for example) than the average person. I literally can't imagine any person taking their life that isn't depressed in some manner or another. Can you give an esample of a person fully alert, with no issues at all, logically concludes to end their happy life and die?
Ah, the argument from personal incredulity. How original.
You don't have to tell me. I've very much aware. And it's not just kids who do it, adults to it all the time to each other as well.Internet bullying is really a problem
Not to mention other kids see it and bring the issues to school, so simply staying off the computer doesn't really matter.much moreso than I though until I watched this movie with my girls about cyberbullying. I was always like, "Oh just get up and walk away from the computer if it's that bad," but that was a very simplistic way to look at it. It's more than that. Computers are encompassed in kids lives these days (most of them, anyway) and bullying online is even more harsh than in person.
Agreed. But schools really have no power to stop it. They can punish it at school in some states (including mine), but they cannot really stop it.We all know from experience that people are nastier online, and would say much worse things online, than in person. That kind of thing can be stopped, and should be stopped, but usually it's not, until it's too late.
More than there should be:There are millions of children in the country.
How many does a situation like this affect? I mean the severe bullying that causes a person to kill themselves.
I would says it is a tiny tiny number, so why get so upset about so few cases?
If a person thinks they have a sufficient reason to kill themselves, even if you disagree with those reasons, what business is it of yours to step in and stop them?
What did you do about your bullying? Just curious because I was pretty severely bullied myself.
You're the second person who has pigeon-hold this as distinctly American.
I made reference to someone else's assertion that bullying is the American way. Learn to read before you smart off, k?
Not sure what you are trying to imply...
Indeed, I would argue that the "man-up" attitude is, in fact, a form of bullying itself. That adults have such attitudes illustrates the fact that bullying is not merely a problem for children, but that it is merely a symptom of a broader society-wide tendency to disregard people's feelings and well being and to see pain or victimhood as individual weakness.I was a victim of persistent bullying for being both different and disabled, day in and day out for years. I spent at least two years being escorted to schools kicking and screaming (no, I am not joking) because the atmosphere was that bad. Professionals surrounding, but not necessarily directly employed by the school in question thought this was a ridiculous atmosphere to maintain. Some teachers responded, others dismissed it. I didn't have suicidal thoughts, but I had teetered on the edge for years as a result. Now, really, another student was pushed down a flight of stairs for being different, and he and his family sued the district. People in the school thought he should have just taken in like a man, and got even more annoyed when he and his family fought back.
So yes, Gipper, I think this "man-up" mentality is bull**** and that apologists for bullies need a severe wake-up call.
I made reference to someone else's assertion that bullying is the American way. Learn to read before you smart off, k?
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