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"Bobby" Bales was from Norwood, Ohio, a city entirely surrounded by Cincinnati. A blue collar town that once thrived until the big auto manufacturing plant closed a couple decades ago.
ABC local news (Channel 9, WCPO) reporting it now
Sad to hear that. Why was this town not incorporated into Cincinnati as is the usual custom in most metropolitan areas?
That's a good question that I don't have an answer for. It was a thriving community until the big auto plant went bye bye. There are lots of small communities that border Cincinnati-St Bernard, Fairfax, Newtown, Amberly Village, Golf Manor, Lockland, etc but I believe Norwood is the only one surrounded completely. It was an auto town where for years men would graduate from Norwood, maybe do some college or serve and then go work in the auto plant. Sadly the design was "obsolete" . Norwood has sent a lot of guys to the volunteer army--one of the guys who moonlighted in a friend's gun shop was in the special forces and was part of the "nonexistent" Delta Force who was part of the "Black Hawk Down" nastiness
Truly sorry this happened. How long can we, as a country, keep sending the soldiers back into the same situation, without one of them losing it. Sad situation.
Oh Yeah, it's kinda sad about the women and babies he murdered too.
Amazing.
Oh Yeah, it's kinda sad about the women and babies he murdered too.
Amazing.
...And now this "innocent child murdering" nastiness. It's a shame for the community...
Oh Yeah, it's kinda sad about the women and babies he murdered too.
Amazing.
If y'all can't allow us to discuss how these decades' old wars are affecting our soldiers without characteristic British snideness so frequently directed at us and our military, then at least be respectful enough to say nothing at all.
That's an unfair comment and not worthy of you, DiAnna. I don't think Manc's comment is snide at all. I think he means it. Wiggen, as far as I'm aware, is not British.
Well, we must have had different experiences of dealing with him. I've always found him to be decent and sensible and not prone to baiting or flaming. Wiggen, not so much. I really don't think he's a Brit, but he is on my iggy.I respectfully disagree, Andy. I've shared political forums with Manc for many years. When he wants to, he can make drive-by snideness an art form. If I've misunderstood either of the posts I quoted, the writers are more than welcome to clarify what they really meant versus my interpretation of what I read.
Well, we must have had different experiences of dealing with him. I've always found him to be decent and sensible and not prone to baiting or flaming. Wiggen, not so much. I really don't think he's a Brit, but he is on my iggy.
Back on the topic, I really don't want to judge or sentence the guy before all the facts come. That doesn't just mean I don't want people rush to condemn and call for the death penalty. I don't want that, but I'm also made uncomfortable by certain posters and certain media outlets that seem to be rushing to mitigate his actions and shift the blame elsewhere. It's too soon for that too. I can understand the instinct to protect one's own but this incident I think goes way beyond respect for the military and patriotic closing of ranks. Personally I'd like to see him tried by the International Criminal Court which would offer both Americans and, more importantly in this case, Afghans some semblance of confidence that the eventual verdict will not be politically manipulated.
Nope, never happen. No NATO nation with soldiers serving in a war zone would allow a renegade soldier to be tried on foreign soil, subject to foreign laws.Probably not. I think it's a shame that NATO combatants aren't held to the same standards as their opponents.
Maybe, maybe not. No proof in Afghan massacre.He will never see the light of day outside a prison again, and may very well be executed for his horrific crimes.
I hadn't read that. Link?when he's never shown anything but soft-spoken respect for the citizens of both countries to which he has been deployed.
You stand by your anti-British snipe when you take exception to just one British poster's remark?I thought, and still think, we are entitled to that discussion without condescending or snide remarks implying that we care more about our soldier than all the innocent lives that he took. I stand by my earlier post in that regard.
That's an unfair comment and not worthy of you, DiAnna. I don't think Manc's comment is snide at all. I think he means it. Wiggen, as far as I'm aware, is not British.
Wow! What would he have to have done to get the maximum sentence?Past history would lean toward if found guilty not receiving the max.
Wow! What would he have to have done to get the maximum sentence?
amazing is your silly cheap shot at Billy the Kid who makes a great point.
This guy will either spend the rest of his life in prison, or he will be executed. If he is executed, fingers from across the pond will waggle in disapproval as well.
Nobody has justified what this man did, not even the man himself. To that point, he was a brilliant, well-respected and highly-decorated soldier, serving honorably for 11 years. He suffered multiple injuries over the course of his four deployments, and his extended absence caused his family severe financial problems. The man snapped. For some reason, a few hours after seeing a buddy's leg blown off before his eyes, this sergeant experienced some kind of acute mental breakdown and committed a horrific mass murder of innocent civilians.
If y'all can't allow us to discuss how these decades' old wars are affecting our soldiers without characteristic British snideness so frequently directed at us and our military, then at least be respectful enough to say nothing at all.
British snideness? I'm as American as you are - maybe more so because I gave this country four years of my life serving in that military that you profess to love so much. What this murdering animal did is an insult to every GI who has worn the uniform and managed not to become a baby killer.
And this guy's personal history isn't nearly as all-american as you would like.
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