1. Good for Brock Turner he should never have been convicted on that evidence in the first place.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...-turner-release-jail/index.html?client=safari
Our justice system is a ****ing joke. Hopefully someone has the good sense to kill this ****er on scene the NEXT TIME.
Beside rape not being the worst crime a person can commit, he wasn't convicted of raping anyone.Never mind psychological toll this takes on the victim. Never mind that she now cannot even trust the justice system to protect her. Never mind that fact that rape is one of the worst crimes a human can commit...let's look at this from the one stand point you clearly don't have the stomach for.
In case you want to use it.He got a light sentence because a probation report done - upon which the sentence is based - recommended a light sentence. The victim had input into the probation report and was apparently at one point fine with the light sentence though she apparently later changed her mind.
Murder all rapists! That's the ticket!!!!
While I am not the person you addressed: I am not afraid. He does not deserve the death penalty for rape.
There is little doubt that his sentence was too light. Completely leaving aside the issue of the justifiability of the death penalty, the severity of the crime in question does not mean we need to go to the most extreme penalty possible as a form of punishment.
It's a very serious crime. But its not a capital offense.
Justice is not simply about "doing what the victim wants."
More to the point, it is sadly true that she will have emotional issues as a result of this incident. Killing her attacker is not going to make that go away. It might not even improve her mental state.
Not necessarily, that depends a great deal on local laws and the situation.
In Turner's case, apparently two students approached him during the attack. He fled, and they apprehended him. They would not be justified using deadly force before they determined what was happening; or when he fled the scene; or while apprehending him, as he was unarmed.
More to the point, justice is not about finding excuses to ignore or skip due process and go straight to killing people. Even if it fails occasionally, and given that we know from the start that no system is perfect: We are much better off with neutral parties and a jury of peers making a determination of guilt and punishment, rather than encouraging vigilantism.
It is also quite evident that you're driven not by a rational approach to the situation, but an emotional reaction of "rape bad, therefore kill rapist." That doesn't sound like a particularly sophisticated or nuanced approach to the problems the Turner case presents.
Judges have a responsibility to ensure that the punishment they mete out is commiserate with the crime. They can consider the wishes of the victim and the know-nothing probation officer but they have a greater obligation to society as a whole. 3 months is not commiserate with the crime and it is not in the best interest of society to unleash an unremorseful rapist who doesn't believe he did anything wrong.
Wait...you forgot he wants them murdered at the scene. No trial.
That's the ticket.
1 - Do you feel the same about victims who ask for harsh sentences? Or more to the point should the victim's wishes matter at all?
2 - Yes the probation reports looks potential for recidivism because that is a element in incarceration and judges are required to factor it into their decision.
2 - The sentence comports with the law. I'd suggest if you want harsher sexual assault sentences talk to your legislator. Personally I think he deserved much more but given my points above and the fact that the sentence met all the legal requirements I am not going hang the judge over it.
1. Good for Brock Turner he should never have been convicted on that evidence in the first place.
2. No the system isn't a "****ing joke".
Beside rape not being the worst crime a person can commit, he wasn't convicted of raping anyone.
In case you want to use it.
Even better. On scene. Save us some taxpayer money when the low life is caught in the act. Not my fault you feel sympathy for a rapist.
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So you feel it was too short of a sentence, but it was legal. So there was nothing morally reprehensible about this incident? 3 months? For rape? Really? How can this not enrage you as a member of the human species? Rape isn't some "accidental crime." It isn't even a crime to feed yourself. Holy **** what kind of society feels 3 months is ok for rape?
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Turner was remorseful fwiw. It's so noted in the probation report.
What is best for society? What factors into "what is best for society"?
The punishment was 6 months. I don't think it's enough but that strictly an emotional reaction and not based on anything factual. I didn't look at the evidence, I didn't see the defendant, I didn't hear the words of the victim or the defendant, I didn't read the probation report and it's assessment of whether or not he's likely to do it again. In short I have absolutely no basis to dispute the sentence other than "well I don't think it's enough."
The judge does this for a living and, again for whatever it's worth, he is well respected and has a good reputation. Maybe he made a mistake here. I'm not in any position to judge that. Neither are you.
And there it is. You don't have the stomach for justice. Not my problem. I wonder how you would feel if you had a family member raped by their own father...only to see similar bull**** go on in the trial and watch that poor child have to be sent back to live with that bastard.
Maybe you don't have the stomach because you didn't have a best friend who went down a dark path and raped his ex wife after stalking her?
There is true darkness in this world. And it deserves to be snuffed out in a JUST society. Not my fault you lack the emotional maturity to stomach that idea.
1) Your initial argument was that people were "too afraid" to admit they did not think rape is a capital crime. Thanks for not bothering to acknowledge that you were wrong.All I see here is a bit of pissing and moaning about what is "right" and "justified."
Thanks for the nonsense.What is right and justified is not perform an act so vile that it can corrupt the very moral fiber of the victim. Turning them into something they are not.
I never EVER said that this incident, or rape in general, is an accident. Nor is that any part of my claim.Rape is a God awful evil crime. And it isn't an accident. Is willful. It is animalistic. It is VILE. It isn't some "accidental" crime. It is a crime that is truly violent.
The fact that you did not read my post says far more about you, and your position.And the fact that you want to piss and moan about the death penalty in general says a lot about you.
:roll:There are some truly awful people in this world. People who rape children, sell them on the black market, kidnap young girls and drug them, rape them, sell them as sex slaves. They rape their SOUL. Not just their bodies. And you want to tell me those people are worthy of breathing the same air as YOU?
Simple? OK then, here is simple:Not all solutions have to be "nuanced" and "complicated." Some are pretty ****ing simple really, as simple as not committing the crime really. You don't want to be killed for rape? Don't rape! Simple.
iLOLHe shouldn't be convicted of rape for fingering a passed out drunk girl? Hm. Sorry. No. **** him. He should have been convicted and she have been given a MUCH stiffer sentence.
You like creating straw-men don't you?What? You think be fell finger first into her *****?
This is you accepting an unproven narrative.I don't know. I seem to prefer my sexual partners to be conscious. Never had a problem with a partner being passed out during sex. Seems that would be a good time to STOP.
According to the police report, which is based on their initial statements.Two other students bumped into them behind a fraternity, and realized that Turner was on top of her while she was unconscious.
No. There was no evidence of any rape.There is no question that he raped her,
Murder all rapists! That's the ticket!!!!
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