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The rest of us may have to deal with illegals from Texas.
I hope you don't celebrate the 4th of July....it would be a bit hypocritical of you to do so.
What you say is true, but are you speaking of states seceding, or of splitting states into smaller states? Here, there is a semi serious proposal to carve the state of Jefferson out of southern Oregon (get away from Portland voters) and Northern California (get away from San Francisco and LA voters) Could be we'd wind up with a lot more states.
How about forming new states? To separate us from all the liberal douchebags.
:lamo too funny...California has already sent up the white flag!!!!
Can't we just finally sell Tejas, and everything in it, to Mexico and be done with it.
It would be an improvement for both of them.
In a word? Yes.
However, it should not be by a simple majority of those who choose to vote.
It should be set up as a vote requiring the participation of all citizens of voting age within the state, and also requiring a 3/4th majority for the vote to succeed.
Still, I think to successfully do this there must be a Constitutional Amendment enacted first, outlining the process whereby a State may rightfully secede from the Union.
When Trump wins, maybe we can bring this country back together after obozo divided it so badly!
There are two ways one or more of our states can leave the union - revolution and amending the Constitution specifically to allow secession.
Where does it say in the Constitution that a state can't secede??
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Seems we once fought a civil war over this issue, but that was a long time ago. Should states be allowed to leave the union and go their own way?
There would have to be an Amendment. Secession is unconstitutional.
While it may be "unconstitutional," (although the only thing that says so is an 1869 6 to 3 SCOTUS ruling in Texas v. White 74 U.S. 700), that does not prevent a State from electing to do so and then trying it's best (another civil war) to enforce that decision.
In fact Salmon Chase's majority opinion was based on some highly convoluted reasoning, since our original nation was formed by a portion of the Kingdom of Great Britain splitting away to form a new nation.
Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence is clear on the right of the people to chose to change and/or abolish any government they find oppressive. These two ideals formed the original basis for the Secessionist movement leading to the Civil War, and no SCOTUS decision can stop a future conflict if the people seeking independence are willing to fight for it.
This quote by Andrew Jackson sums up my views on secession pretty well.
"John Calhoun, if you secede from my nation I will secede your head from the rest of your body.”
I see. So you would attempt genocide against people who have freely and democratically elected to secede from the Union?
And people wonder why so many of us argue so strongly for the right to keep and bear arms capable of opposing our own government should the need ever arise. :coffeepap:
What you say is true, but are you speaking of states seceding, or of splitting states into smaller states? Here, there is a semi serious proposal to carve the state of Jefferson out of southern Oregon (get away from Portland voters) and Northern California (get away from San Francisco and LA voters) Could be we'd wind up with a lot more states.
I don't think that's a bad thing. We could use a few more stars on the flag. I also think we need to consider inviting the rest of the countries in the western hemisphere to become states within the Union. I would like to see a true United States of America sea to sea pole to pole.
Manifest polar destiny. I wonder what the Canadians and Argentinians think of that idea?
Notice I said and I quote "invite." Not manifest destiny by force, but by invitation. I bet there would be a lot of nations that would take us up on that offer. The opportunity for both sides of the equation are huge.
As for the Canadians and Argentinians, who knows? They might consider such an offer. Or not.
I'm guessing not.
I don't think that's a bad thing. We could use a few more stars on the flag. I also think we need to consider inviting the rest of the countries in the western hemisphere to become states within the Union. I would like to see a true United States of America sea to sea pole to pole.
Manifest polar destiny. I wonder what the Canadians and Argentinians think of that idea?
Probably not until most of the other American nations join up.
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Seems we once fought a civil war over this issue, but that was a long time ago. Should states be allowed to leave the union and go their own way?
Why don't they want to be part of the United States? It sounds like a bunch of children screaming they are going to take their ball and go home.
There's no need for an amendment, the right of seccession is already contaibed in the 10th amendment. To make it "legal" from a USFG point of view would be an overturning of White v Texas.No. Been there, done that.
Texas does have an interesting and unique situation though. Still, no. Of course, a Constitutional Amendment could change that.
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