Breaking News: Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Officially Fired.

ric27 said:

Yeah, in "YOUR" book....which actually means ****

The exChief at Sanford PD (former captain) is one of the most thorough individuals who ever investigated a crime.

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Doesn't matter how good he was, ex-police chief is a bold face liar, period.


He came out publicly to proclaim that all the evidence and witness accounts supported Zimmerman's claim of self-defense and that Zimmerman's accounts remained consistent throughout. We now know for absolute certainty that this is a lie because Zimmerman's own account druing the various police interviews and the on-site video reenactment are inconsistent with his police non-emergency call.

In his police interview audio and renactment video, Zimmerman put words in the dispatcher's mouth to lay blame on the dispatcher in explaining away why he did what he did such as getting out of his vehicle (to find the exact address allegedly required by the dispatcher) and more.

The only thing consistent about Zimmerman as these video/audio evidence showed is this pattern of laying blames on other people for whatever Zimmerman did. Anything that went wrong Zimmerman is never at fault.

There are many more inconsistent in his reenactment that had been pointed out before, such as the location he said he was punched and pushed down and the claim that Trayvon covered his mouth and nose during the fight on the ground before the shot was fired.

But, Trayvon's body was found 50 feet south of the T-junction; that no Zimmerman's nose blood was transfered to Trayvon's hand and that no muffling sound was ever heard in the background of a witness' 911 call.

I know many of you had tried to explain away the inconsistencies. But, if you have to have the need to explain away the glaring inconsistencies, then they are inconsistencies no mater how much effort you try to convince people.

The most one can say is say nothing.

But, to come out and proclaim, in ex-chief's own words, "because no evidence contradict his story" this is a bold face lie.

I know many of you will not agree with me no matter how much discrepancies from the evidence I laid them out for you to see. That's why I said, "In my book" when I called the ex-chief a bold face liar with reasons.

I didn't beat you down for your belief according to your book, so why do you think you should feel the need to disparage my opinion based on the evidence that had been released?

Excon said:

Wow!
Your position is incredible.


Even the lead investigator agrees with the Chief.

"[...] Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

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Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin's family asks for Department of Justice review of State Attorney and police chief - Orlando Sentinel
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Serino had to agree with the ex-chief if he wants to save his job. That's why he wavered. I had already explained this in my previous post. Why beat a dead horse?

dolphinocean said:

Serino had to agree with the ex-chief if he wants to save his job. That's why he wavered. I had already explained this in my previous post. Why beat a dead horse?

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lol
:doh


Serino gave his opinion openly and without hesitation.
You have no idea of what you speak.

What you suggest is ridiculous.

Excon said:

lol
:doh


Serino gave his opinion openly and without hesitation.
You have no idea of what you speak.

What you suggest is ridiculous.

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Except that he did say he thought Zimmerman should be charged with Murder II, as I previously quoted.

whysoserious said:

Except that he did say he thought Zimmerman should be charged with Murder II, as I previously quoted.

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And the story was shown to be wrong, wasn't it?

Political reasons are justifiable reasons in senior positions like that. Even if he didn’t do anything wrong, if his community is actually split on his job performance, then it makes sense to let him go. I think they handled his dismissal horribly, though. They should have let him walk away with some dignity when he tendered his resignation. Instead they reject it, wait awhile, then publically say they have lost faith in him and are firing him? That seems pretty low.

Excon said:

And the story was shown to be wrong, wasn't it?

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No....? I don't recall that.

Sarcogito said:

Political reasons are justifiable reasons in senior positions like that. Even if he didn’t do anything wrong, if his community is actually split on his job performance, then it makes sense to let him go. I think they handled his dismissal horribly, though. They should have let him walk away with some dignity when he tendered his resignation. Instead they reject it, wait awhile, then publically say they have lost faith in him and are firing him? That seems pretty low.

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Thats a bunch of immature bull**** is what it is.

Excon said:

lol
:doh


Serino gave his opinion openly and without hesitation.
You have no idea of what you speak.

What you suggest is ridiculous.

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He had to openly play the game to please his boss after his boss had decided the case in favor of Zimmerman despite his initial misgiving conviction against Zimmerman's story as shown in the audio interview with Zimmerman that night and his initial intent to file for manslaughter charge.

whysoserious said:

No....? I don't recall that.

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Yeah, for some reason I am sure you do not recall something that was said in reply to you hours earlier.
:doh

Excon said:

whysoserious said:

So the statement that he believed Zimmerman on March 16 was his real opinion, but his affidavit he filed on February 26 was pressure from the Obama Administration? Please, prove to me that Obama pressured the lead investigator to fill out a Probable Cause Affidavit on the night of the shooting. I'd love to see it.

It's laughable that you are calling others out about not knowing the case and you don't even have any sense of the chronological order of things. Insane.

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I have no idea about any pressure, but usually the last thing one says on a subject is usually the opinion they have come to.

Besides, what affidavit was that?

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."
Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin's family asks for Department of Justice review of State Attorney and police chief - Orlando Sentinel​

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Excon said:

Yeah, for some reason I am sure you do not recall something that was said in reply to you hours earlier.
:doh

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Let me borrow your favorite: Wrong!

You merely proved my point.

dolphinocean said:

Let me borrow your favorite: Wrong!

You merely proved my point.

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What the heck are you babbling about this time?

What ever it is, you are wrong as usual.

Excon said:

What the heck are you babbling about this time?

What ever it is, you are wrong as usual.

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Wrong. Just wrong.

dolphinocean said:

Wrong. Just wrong.

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The only thing wrong here is you!
lol

Excon said:

The only thing wrong here is you!
lol

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Wrong! .....

dolphinocean said:

Wrong! .....

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Wrong! :doh
Unlike you, when I use it, the person is demonstratively wrong.


I can keep this up as long as you do.

Or you can get back on point.

Excon said:

Wrong! :doh
Unlike you, when I use it, the person is demonstratively wrong.


I can keep this up as long as you do.

Or you can get back on point.

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What point?

You mean the one you made it all up from thin air?

dolphinocean said:

What point?

You mean the one you made it all up from thin air?

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This is easy.
If I am wrong you can demonstrate it.
Please... Feel free to do so...
lol
:doh

Excon said:

This is easy.
If I am wrong you can demonstrate it.
Please... Feel free to do so...
lol
:doh

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Gotta borrow your tactics, makes life much easier.

Wrong! There, demonstrated.

dolphinocean said:

Gotta borrow your tactics, makes life much easier.

Wrong! There, demonstrated.

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Deserved!

Excon said:

Deserved!

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Served. Or is it Observed?

Or is it Preserved? Conserved?

dolphinocean said:

I don't care if he was fired because of "completely 100% political". In my book, he is a 100% bold face liar who bent over backwards to come out and lie to the whole nation about all the testimonies and physical evidence being consistent with Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

For whatever reasons, he clearly was bending over backward to cover for Zimmerman no matter what the public already knew at that time that didn't make sense from all that was leaked. Now, the evidence we see confirmed that he is a bold face liar.

That's the reason you have the Sanford detectives unable to do their job completely and thoroughly because the Chief already decided that there was no case. That's the reason you have Serino changing his position so as not to offend the Chief to save his job. That's also the reason that we have this public outcry and demonstrations and nationwide unrest and disagreement.

He should had been fired long ago after he came out on behalf of Zimmerman and lied to the public.

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Hey, that really proves up the integrity of Serino, doesn't it? That he lied to save his job in relation to the old police chief who didn't want Zimmerman charged. But when higher powers wanted Zimmerman charged, Serino changes what he claimed facts on a murder case are again for his job.

It is absolutely provable that Serino will say ANYTHING that he believes is best for him and his job. The one person absolutely proven a liar and the best witness for the defense is Serino. "I lie even on murder cases to protect my job. Wouldn't everyone?" is the prosecutors #1 witness AND how she obtained the arrest warrant and charge. Not using a grand jury but instead the liar Serino. Since he will say anything to protect his job, he will say anything the prosecutor tells him to say.

I don't think a jury in a normal case with a fair trial before a competent fair judge would like how the politicians and and prosecutor are shoving the cops around threatening them with their jobs if they won't do, say and even swear to what they are told to say and do.

The bold faced liar is Serino. Even you admit that. He lies for his personal financial profit - ie his job. Even you say so.

joko104 said:

Hey, that really proves up the integrity of Serino, doesn't it? That he lied to save his job in relation to the old police chief who didn't want Zimmerman charged. But when higher powers wanted Zimmerman charged, Serino changes what he claimed facts on a murder case are again for his job.

It is absolutely provable that Serino will say ANYTHING that he believes is best for him and his job. The one person absolutely proven a liar and the best witness for the defense is Serino. "I lie even on murder cases to protect my job. Wouldn't everyone?" is the prosecutors #1 witness AND how she obtained the arrest warrant and charge. Not using a grand jury but instead the liar Serino. Since he will say anything to protect his job, he will say anything the prosecutor tells him to say.

I don't think a jury in a normal case with a fair trial before a competent fair judge would like how the politicians and and prosecutor are shoving the cops around threatening them with their jobs if they won't do, say and even swear to what they are told to say and do.

The bold faced liar is Serino. Even you admit that. He lies for his personal financial profit - ie his job. Even you say so.

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I agree with you on the Serino being a bold face liar. I also agree with you that he is best witness for the defense given the way he bangled the whole case with the investigation and the physical evidence (though the ex-police chief was the one behind this bangling thing). I won't shed a tear for this coward if he also got his ass kicked.