Black unemployment 'a serious problem'

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Black-unemployment-keeps-cnnm-846106662.html?x=0&.v=4

Ok, in no way shape or form am I racists, but this un-employment ordeal is getting out of control. The problem isn't race, it's attitude and I'd be willing to bet that if you took into account the number of employed but "undocumented" hispanics, the numbers between asians, whites, and hispanics get even closer leaving only African Americans above 10%. Difficult is not impossible but when over the course of generations you program a portion of the society with the mindset that the more you play the victim the bigger victim you become and the more will be given to you without any effort on your part. But are we really surprised it's this bad? (the laziness not the racism)

Sadly Black unemployment is always higher than the National average due in part to lack of education as seen in the current drop out rates among all students, particularly minorities.

The unemployment rate has many causes but some can come home to roost squarely on the Government.

The President and the Congress may not be responsible for the direct creation of jobs in the private sector but they do have a direct effect on the conditions that allow for growth and expansion of an economy that creates an atmosphere that is conducive to both. When the Government raises taxes on the sector of the economy that creates jobs, along with restrictive regulations it creates a fear and this has a very negative effect on small businesses and the more affluent where over 70% of all new jobs come from. California is a perfect exampled of how over taxing and regulation drives business to away. Look up the the recent move of the Buck Knife Company and the reasons they left the State.

This example shows clearly how these negative effects hurts not only job growth but a the economy by removing not only the Corporate taxes but the revenues received from income taxes, and then extends into reduced sales tax revenues, and further into effects other businesses in the long run because of over all reduced sales. It is a classic domino effect if you think past the initial question. This is basic economics and not that hard to understand. It does not even have to be an actual new set of restrictive regulations and taxes to have this snowball effect on jobs and the economy all you have to have to stifle growth is the threat of these things to start the ball rolling down hill.

We currently have the perfect storm for his to take place. We have just seen with the imbecilic Cash for Clunkers fiasco where were ended up taking good cars off the road, spend as much as $24,000 for each new car sold put people farther into debt, and the rules allowed for the program to include cars from companies not in danger to benefit, rather than restricting the program to the Big Three American companies. This shows a lack of ability to handle what might have been good idea to do very little except create a few weeks of sales and have a negative effect in several areas.

Couple this with the threats of putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk in the insurance industry, the regulations coming to every business with the Socialized medicine proposals, and the Cap and Trade legislation and the fear goes grows astronomically. The effect of Cap and Trade alone would have a negative effect on every part of the Nation's economy raising prices on every item sold and every service provided creating a basis for inflation and further having a negative effect on jobs.

So the claim that Government is no responsible for job creation or the saving of them is at best naive. There are more examples of the fear this Administration and Congress has created through it's amateur actions. They fail to understand the basic system they seem hell bend on destroying as do all of their supporters. Anyone who has run a successful business knows these things, which ie why Obama and the Congress don't get it. Most of them have never done anything in the real world.

Benzin388 said:

Black unemployment keeps trending higher - Yahoo! Finance

Ok, in no way shape or form am I racists, but this un-employment ordeal is getting out of control. The problem isn't race, it's attitude and I'd be willing to bet that if you took into account the number of employed but "undocumented" hispanics, the numbers between asians, whites, and hispanics get even closer leaving only African Americans above 10%. Difficult is not impossible but when over the course of generations you program a portion of the society with the mindset that the more you play the victim the bigger victim you become and the more will be given to you without any effort on your part. But are we really surprised it's this bad? (the laziness not the racism)

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In Denver, CO, it is impossible to get a city job if you're a white person. The city hires minorities and nobody else.

Councilman said:

Sadly Black unemployment is always higher than the National average due in part to lack of education as seen in the current drop out rates among all students, particularly minorities.

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Here's a solution. Make dropping out illegal. 16 and below the parents get fined $10,000. 17+ the kid gets the fine. Then there's no excuse, for anyone.

I know I know, lots of problems involved in that.

Kal'Stang said:

Here's a solution. Make dropping out illegal. 16 and below the parents get fined $10,000. 17+ the kid gets the fine. Then there's no excuse, for anyone.

I know I know, lots of problems involved in that.

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Yeah, bad idea.....

I have a better idea, quit coddling people in general and start holding people accountable for their success and failures.

No more welfare, no more Section 8 housing, no more AA.

Take a few years but the end results would be positive.

MrVicchio said:

I have a better idea, quit coddling people in general and start holding people accountable for their success and failures.

No more welfare, no more Section 8 housing, no more AA.

Take a few years but the end results would be positive.

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Yea higher crime.. :roll:

This experiment has been tried other places.. its called 3rd world countries and it has not worked even remotely. You know that drug war in Mexico.. guess why people get into such things?

MrVicchio said:

I have a better idea, quit coddling people in general and start holding people accountable for their success and failures.

No more welfare, no more Section 8 housing, no more AA.

Take a few years but the end results would be positive.

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Is this a fact? What were poverty rates for blacks during the 1st half of the 20th century?

Hatuey said:

Is this a fact? What were poverty rates for blacks during the 1st half of the 20th century?

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How is that relavent?.....
Welfare & such encourages laziness & over population, by breeding beyond your means of support for your offspring.......
We all knows what happens to animals in the wild.....
This applies to all species, or it should....
Aid organizations only prop up artificially inflated populations....

Partisan said:

How is that relavent?.....
Welfare & such encourages laziness & over population, by breeding beyond your means of support for your offspring.......
We all knows what happens to animals in the wild.....
This applies to all species, or it should....
Aid organizations only prop up artificially inflated populations....

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That is entirely false. Historically poverty rates in the U.S. have NEVER been as low as they are today. In the first half of the century(before welfare programs took any real force) the poverty rates of this country were well above 17% and that was regular and normal. If your theory held ANY water why is it we freak out when poverty goes above 8%? It is because of social programs that welfare in this country has been reduced to the extent that it is today.

Hatuey said:

That is entirely false. Historically poverty rates in the U.S. have NEVER been as low as they are today. In the first half of the century(before welfare programs took any real force) the poverty rates of this country were well above 17% and that was regular and normal. If your theory held ANY water why is it we freak out when poverty goes above 8%? It is because of social programs that welfare in this country has been reduced to the extent that it is today.

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Liberals freak out over the poverty rate, Conservatives do not.....
The only reason for the low rate is GUBMINT cheese.....
Artificial cheese at that, maybe velveeta....:mrgreen:

Partisan said:

Liberals freak out over the poverty rate, Conservatives do not.....

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Thanks for proving you were wrong to begin with. Do you have anything to add that I might consider useful? Nevermind. I'm talking to Coon County.

Hatuey said:

Thanks for proving you were wrong to begin with. Do you have anything to add that I might consider useful? Nevermind. I'm talking to Coon County.

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I take it is your position you reject the notion that welfare & such props up an artificially inflated population?.....

Partisan said:

I take it is your position you reject the notion that welfare & such props up an artificially inflated population?.....

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I've explained to you already that welfare has done away with what were the historically high poverty levels America was used to. This by default kind of punches a whole in your theory that welfare encourages poverty. How can it when since its inception poverty has been reduced?

PeteEU said:

Yea higher crime.. :roll:

This experiment has been tried other places.. its called 3rd world countries and it has not worked even remotely. You know that drug war in Mexico.. guess why people get into such things?

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And never ending poverty and mediocrity is the result of state sponsored welfare. People lose incentive to better themselves. They become dependent on the state to care for them instead of caring for themselves. Tell whole generations of people that they cannot do for themselves.

I will use Britain as my European example, the country is falling apart.

Hatuey said:

I've explained to you already that welfare has done away with what were the historically high poverty levels America was used to. This by default kind of punches a whole in your theory that welfare encourages poverty. How can it when since its inception poverty has been reduced?

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I never said welfare encourages poverty....
I do say it allows for an artificiallly inflated population....
There is no doubt that there is a 'welfare class' in this country......
And......I don't think you are taking the national debt into consideration in your analysis.....
IE, this country is broke, eventually the bill will have to be paid....

Hatuey said:

Is this a fact? What were poverty rates for blacks during the 1st half of the 20th century?

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And that proves what?

How bout the Irish settlers of the time, how's their poverty rates compared to today?

Partisan said:

I never said welfare encourages poverty....

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BS :

Welfare & such encourages laziness & over population, by breeding beyond your means of support for your offspring.......

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If this was true why is it we no longer have 17% poverty levels?

I do say it allows for an artificiallly inflated population....

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Please define artificially inflated population?



As the chart shows the population growth of the U.S. has actually decreased from what were once rates of 30% a little over a century. When there was no welfare or support programs for the massive population which wasn't on welfare.

There is no doubt that there is a 'welfare class' in this country......
And......I don't think you are taking the national debt into consideration in your analysis.....
IE, this country is broke, eventually the bill will have to be paid....

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When you are ready to support any of the claims you've already made so far, I'll welcome you to debate me on anything. Until then. Red herring all you want.

MrVicchio said:

And that proves what?

How bout the Irish settlers of the time, how's their poverty rates compared to today?

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2 different sociological groups. One was allowed to establish economic independence a lot longer than 70 years ago.

MrVicchio said:

And never ending poverty and mediocrity is the result of state sponsored welfare. People lose incentive to better themselves. They become dependent on the state to care for them instead of caring for themselves. Tell whole generations of people that they cannot do for themselves.

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Sure... and you base this on what.. an ideological talking point from the RNC or actual empirical fact and logic?

I will use Britain as my European example, the country is falling apart.

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It is? news to me.... and you base this on what?

Hatuey said:

Is this a fact? What were poverty rates for blacks during the 1st half of the 20th century?

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87% in 1940, 47% in 1960. That 40% decline was before any major welfare or civil rights legislation. During the 1960s the rate fell by another 17%.

Hatuey said:

That is entirely false. Historically poverty rates in the U.S. have NEVER been as low as they are today. In the first half of the century(before welfare programs took any real force) the poverty rates of this country were well above 17% and that was regular and normal. If your theory held ANY water why is it we freak out when poverty goes above 8%? It is because of social programs that welfare in this country has been reduced to the extent that it is today.

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"Pre-transfer" poverty rates, that is, the rate of poverty when welfare isn't accounted for, has stayed the same. And most of the decrease in the last 50 years has been among the elderly, who wouldn't be working anyways.

Hatuey said:

BS :



If this was true why is it we no longer have 17% poverty levels?


Please define artificially inflated population?



As the chart shows the population growth of the U.S. has actually decreased from what were once rates of 30% a little over a century. When there was no welfare or support programs for the massive population which wasn't on welfare.


When you are ready to support any of the claims you've already made so far, I'll welcome you to debate me on anything. Until then. Red herring all you want.

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Laziness & poverty are two different things......
Laziness can cause poverty, but poverty shouldn't cause laziness.....
Laziness is a character flaw, poverty is not.....
Your chart shows an ever sharpening upward curve.....
Except the slight flat spot, 1930 -1940 = the Great Depression.....
Population growth flattened because there was no safety net.....
Can you elaborate on the bolded section, I'm not clear on what you are trying to say......

PeteEU said:

Yea higher crime.. :roll:

This experiment has been tried other places.. its called 3rd world countries and it has not worked even remotely. You know that drug war in Mexico.. guess why people get into such things?

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Because society in general has become a cesspool of lazy sons of bitches thats why.

Hatuey said:

That is entirely false. Historically poverty rates in the U.S. have NEVER been as low as they are today. In the first half of the century(before welfare programs took any real force) the poverty rates of this country were well above 17% and that was regular and normal. If your theory held ANY water why is it we freak out when poverty goes above 8%? It is because of social programs that welfare in this country has been reduced to the extent that it is today.

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Artificially depressed poverty rate means nothing to me.

I'd rather we go back to a sense of pride in hard work and getting a job and providing for yourself.

Unfortunately there are many in society that don't view this as such a positive thing.


I blame piss poor parenting (as always).