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Black Middle School Student Expelled After Disarming Gun-Carrying Classmate

Luce said:



This is, as my brother would say, all normal.

Apparently, this was because he disarmed the student before he went and told a teacher, because we know that the armed student would have waited around for that.

He was expelled for being in possession of a weapon at the school, the possession of which was caused by him taking the gun off of the other student.

Guess which race Sakir McClurkin is? You have three guesses and the first two don't count.
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As F*d up as many school disciplinary policies are, race may or may not have had anything to do with it. I've seen similar stupidity in cases where race was not a factor, but blind adherence to dogma was. With the quality of many school administrators, it's no wonder our schools are as F*d up as they are. If you had ever worked for a retired school superintendent, you would know what I'm talking about.
 
coyote505 said:
As F*d up as many school disciplinary policies are, race may or may not have had anything to do with it. I've seen similar stupidity in cases where race was not a factor, but blind adherence to dogma was. With the quality of many school administrators, it's no wonder our schools are as F*d up as they are. If you had ever worked for a retired school superintendent, you would know what I'm talking about.
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Now, that I believe....
 
Silver lining. Do what you can to keep your kids out of government schools.

Because of this sudden expulsion, Sakir's mother has had to take on the enormous challenge of educating him at home. This has forced her to cut back on work, creating serious financial strain on their household,"
 
TobyOne said:
Silver lining. Do what you can to keep your kids out of government schools.

Because of this sudden expulsion, Sakir's mother has had to take on the enormous challenge of educating him at home. This has forced her to cut back on work, creating serious financial strain on their household,"
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So your advice is to keep kids home and starve to death?
 
Luce said:
While a teacher and the class was watching?
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Don't believe your statement is accurate.

The mother's story got a little convoluted on that point. First she said there was a teacher "in the classroom". Then when asked why her child inform an adult about the gun she said he was afraid to do so. Then the article states that school officials only learned about the gun when other students told them about it.

It's kind of a stretch to suggest a teacher witnessed a student with a gun, watched him stash it behind a radiator, and then they (the teacher) didn't report the event.

"When asked why he did not immediately tell an adult about the gun, McClurkin said it was because her son was scared and was never taught what to do in that situation.
Other students eventually told an administrator about the firearm, she said."

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Luce said:



This is, as my brother would say, all normal.

Apparently, this was because he disarmed the student before he went and told a teacher, because we know that the armed student would have waited around for that.

He was expelled for being in possession of a weapon at the school, the possession of which was caused by him taking the gun off of the other student.

Guess which race Sakir McClurkin is? You have three guesses and the first two don't count.
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Holy shit, he took a weapon from another kid and then hid it inside the school, and told no staff or adults!?

What the hell was he planning?
 
The flaming dumpster fire that is the US just keeps rolling on down the road.

Good times.
 
Luce said:



This is, as my brother would say, all normal.

Apparently, this was because he disarmed the student before he went and told a teacher, because we know that the armed student would have waited around for that.

He was expelled for being in possession of a weapon at the school, the possession of which was caused by him taking the gun off of the other student.

Guess which race Sakir McClurkin is? You have three guesses and the first two don't count.
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www.nbcnews.com

Michigan mom says 11-year-old son was expelled after dismantling classmate's loaded gun at school

The incident happened in May at Dwight Rich School of the Arts in Lansing after a student allegedly brought a loaded gun to school.
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The story appears incomplete.

According to others - a student gave him the gun, so it wasn't a 'heroic disarming'. He took the gun apart and hid it in a heater in the school.

I think there needs to be some alternative to expulsion, but the actions of both students are clearly in the wrong.
 
I'd like this story more if him being "black" had more evidence of mattering beyond feelings of racism. A zero tolerance policy sucks in every shape or form because not every situation is the same. Ban kids from holding a gun and suddenly the kid that finds it and wants to turn it in is in trouble. Personally, I feel there should have been enough adults in the pipeline to see that is the case.
 
Who wants to take bets the kid that is “unidentified” and brought the gun hasn’t faced ramifications?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
More information;
The incident unfolded after an unidentified student allegedly brought a loaded gun to the middle school. McClurkin said the student pulled out the gun in a bathroom and "gave my son a firearm."

"Like here, take this, hold on to this," she said.

Sakir, who knows how to hunt and learned about gun safety from his godfather, knew the weapon was not allowed in school.

"Sakir's natural reaction was, there's no way I'm going to hold on to this gun all day," his mother said. "He proceeded to go to class ... and dismantled it in class. There was a teacher in class and everything. People were around and everything."

After taking the gun apart, McClurkin said her son "put it inside of a heater" in the classroom and threw the bullets in a garbage can.

"He didn't want it on his person, but he didn't want nobody to mess with it," she said about why her son dismantled the firearm.

When asked why he did not immediately tell an adult about the gun, McClurkin said it was because her son was scared and was never taught what to do in that situation.

Other students eventually told an administrator about the firearm, she said.

The district said in its statement that "the full account of the incident has not been reported," but could not comment further because of privacy laws.
www.nbcnews.com

Michigan mom says 11-year-old son expelled after dismantling classmate's loaded gun at school

The incident happened in May at Dwight Rich School of the Arts in Lansing after a student allegedly brought a loaded gun to school.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Sakir is certainly old enough to know what he should’ve done, but chose not to because he didn’t want to get his friend in trouble.

While I don’t think he should be given a free pass, based on his deliberate actions to hide the firearm and not report his friend, I also don’t think he should’ve been expelled for a year.
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That story sounds like a mom doing her best to protect her son after he is caught doing something wrong. Dont believe a word of it.
 
Generally speaking, I find that most news stories create more questions than they answer. This one would be a good example.
 
Fletch said:
That story sounds like a mom doing her best to protect her son after he is caught doing something wrong. Dont believe a word of it.
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You’re free to believe whatever you like.

IMO, despite Sakir’s mom’s attempt to minimize her son’s culpability, even her own description of events puts the kid’s actions in a bad legal light.
 
Ƶ∅𝒹i͎αꞓ said:
I'd like this story more if him being "black" had more evidence of mattering beyond feelings of racism. A zero tolerance policy sucks in every shape or form because not every situation is the same. Ban kids from holding a gun and suddenly the kid that finds it and wants to turn it in is in trouble. Personally, I feel there should have been enough adults in the pipeline to see that is the case.
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My problem with 'zero tolerance' policies is that the organization is saying they don't trust their own administrators to make good decisions. That says more about the people making those policies - and hiring people they don't trust - than anything.

Applied to this case, we're talking about a 12 year old who made a bad decision. But do we really expect a 12 year old to show good judgement in making decisions - especially when we don't trust the principal to use good judgement in determining the punishment?

That said, we should remember that we're only getting one side of the story here, because the school is really limited on what they can say.
 
dcsports said:
My problem with 'zero tolerance' policies is that the organization is saying they don't trust their own administrators to make good decisions. That says more about the people making those policies - and hiring people they don't trust - than anything.

Applied to this case, we're talking about a 12 year old who made a bad decision. But do we really expect a 12 year old to show good judgement in making decisions - especially when we don't trust the principal to use good judgement in determining the punishment?

That said, we should remember that we're only getting one side of the story here, because the school is really limited on what they can say.
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A 12 year old now holding a gun. I'd be scared shirtless too
 
BirdinHand said:
Who wants to take bets the kid that is “unidentified” and brought the gun hasn’t faced ramifications?
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Just out of curiosity, why in the world would you make such an assumption?

Your premise is that a student that brought a loaded gun to school isn't held accountable by the school administration? The article already stated that he was reported to the police and taken into custody.

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pragmatic said:
Just out of curiosity, why in the world would you make such an assumption?

Your premise is that a student that brought a loaded gun to school isn't held accountable by the school administration? The article already stated that he was reported to the police and taken into custody.

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Did you see that mentioned somewhere?

I’ve done a google search and have not.

Happy to be wrong if you show otherwise
 
BirdinHand said:
Did you see that mentioned somewhere?

I’ve done a google search and have not.

Happy to be wrong if you show otherwise
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"Disciplinary action would not have been warranted for disarming another student," the district said. "Please know, however, that the safety of our students and staff remains our paramount interest, and decisions will continue to be made in accordance with that principle."

According to the district, the student who brought the firearm was taken into custody by police. The Lansing Police Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.
www.nbcnews.com

Michigan mom says 11-year-old son was expelled after dismantling classmate's loaded gun at school

The incident happened in May at Dwight Rich School of the Arts in Lansing after a student allegedly brought a loaded gun to school.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

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pragmatic said:
"Disciplinary action would not have been warranted for disarming another student," the district said. "Please know, however, that the safety of our students and staff remains our paramount interest, and decisions will continue to be made in accordance with that principle."

According to the district, the student who brought the firearm was taken into custody by police. The Lansing Police Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.
www.nbcnews.com

Michigan mom says 11-year-old son was expelled after dismantling classmate's loaded gun at school

The incident happened in May at Dwight Rich School of the Arts in Lansing after a student allegedly brought a loaded gun to school.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

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Thank you. I will follow the other news case also.
 
BirdinHand said:
Who wants to take bets the kid that is “unidentified” and brought the gun hasn’t faced ramifications?
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The article says he was taken into custody...

So literally anyone who can read would take that bet.
 
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