Billions in taxpayer dollars now go to religious schools via vouchers

[weaver2]

LOL!

The whataboutism defense is the most predictable dodge that people come up with. Happens every single time.

It was just a plea for some balance and maybe a tiny bit of religious tolerance. Oh well.

 

[stevecanuck]

It was just a plea for some balance and maybe a tiny bit of religious tolerance. Oh well.

‘Tolerance’ and ‘Islam’ don’t belong in the same sentence. Just read the Qur’an, and you’ll see what I mean.

 

[eohrnberger]

Didn't say that.



Yes, there are.



If they're peaceful, yes.



I underlined the bit that's the lie in your post #246.

The Qur'an explicitly tells Muslims to fight non-Muslims, therefore those who commit acts of terrorism aren't "justifying" said acts. They are merely obeying their god.

Immaterial what the Qur'an says, it matters a great deal what acts of terrorism Muslims do or don't do.

Are there Muslim militants who justifying their terrorist acts with the Islamic religion ?
I'd have to say, Yes there are Muslim groups who do this. You disagree?

 

[Ganondagan]

The growth follows a string of recent victories in the Supreme Court and state legislatures by religious conservatives who have campaigned to tear down what once were constitutional prohibitions against spending tax money directly on religious education. It also marks a win for the school choice movement, which has spent decades campaigning to let parents use tax money for any school they see fit.
Voucher programs, which vary in their details, have grown particularly large in a half-dozen states. In each of these, participating families have overwhelmingly chosen religious schools, sometimes using the subsidy for schools their children were already attending before the programs began.

In Wisconsin, 96 percent of about 55,000 vouchers given this school year went toward religious schools, The Post found. In Indiana, 98 percent of vouchers go to religious schools. (Indiana state data only specifies the number of vouchers for schools with at least 10 recipients.)

In Florida, several programs combine to make every student in the state eligible for vouchers, with more than 400,000 participating this year. At least 82 percent of students attend religious schools, The Post found. Florida is first in the nation in both the number of enrolled students and total cost of the voucher program — more than $3 billion this year.

No pay wall.

https://wapo.st/4bOGSxS

It's a long article but it's well worth reading.

P.S. Taxpayers funding religious schools is wrong on many, many, many levels.

Taxpayers should not be funding schools at all. When government calls the shots schools become propaganda mills.

 

[stevecanuck]

Immaterial what the Qur'an says ....

You're not the first to float this idea, but it amazes me every time I see it.

The Qur'an exists for the sole purpose of creating and defining Islam. Muslims believe it to be the verbatim word of Allah as revealed to Mohamed by the angel Gabriel. Nothing could more material to the discussion of Islam than what the Qur'an says.

 

[stevecanuck]

Are there Muslim militants who justifying their terrorist acts with the Islamic religion ?
I'd have to say, Yes there are Muslim groups who do this. You disagree?

The difference between 'justify' and 'incite' is what you're not getting.

 

[eohrnberger]

The difference between 'justify' and 'incite' is what you're not getting.

I stand by my previous post #248.

There's a difference between what a religious text says, which is words and no action, and what actions some might, or might not, take.
This appears to be the difference which you are not getting.

 

[stevecanuck]

I stand by my previous post #248.

There's a difference between what a religious text says, which is words and no action, and what actions some might, or might not, take.
This appears to be the difference which you are not getting.

What you are saying is that incitement to commit violence is not a problem unless someone obeys those commands? Really?

If Muslims were to march in the streets chanting "Kill the Jews", that wouldn't rise to the level of criminality? Because it's "just words"? C'mon, you know that's absurd.

 

[choiceone]

Taxpayers should not be funding schools at all. When government calls the shots schools become propaganda mills.

Of course they should. When the government funds schools and requires that kids up to a certain age have schools available, the government can insure that the schools are teaching certain minimum things to all children. Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with secular schooling. Evangelical views have nothing to do with secular schooling. If you want your kid to get a religious education, too, then send him/her to Sunday school at your chosen church. A government funded school is to teach reading and writing contemporary English and basic math, history, and science, etc., not religious values.

I'm pretty old now, but in my day, the purpose of secular school was to learn to be an educated citizen capable of reading, writing, basic practical math and science, and critical thinking and reason. The purpose of religious school was to learn to be a Jew, Catholic, Protestant Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian Universalist, etc., and make some kind of commitment. Nobody at the secular school had to meet some arbitrary religious requirements, but they had to meet secular requirements for teaching the subject or with small kids the age grade intellectual material and public decency standards.

Government doesn't fill schools full of propaganda - religious schools do.

 

[Ganondagan]

Of course they should. When the government funds schools and requires that kids up to a certain age have schools available, the government can insure that the schools are teaching certain minimum things to all children. Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with secular schooling. Evangelical views have nothing to do with secular schooling. If you want your kid to get a religious education, too, then send him/her to Sunday school at your chosen church. A government funded school is to teach reading and writing contemporary English and basic math, history, and science, etc., not religious values.

I'm pretty old now, but in my day, the purpose of secular school was to learn to be an educated citizen capable of reading, writing, basic practical math and science, and critical thinking and reason. The purpose of religious school was to learn to be a Jew, Catholic, Protestant Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian Universalist, etc., and make some kind of commitment. Nobody at the secular school had to meet some arbitrary religious requirements, but they had to meet secular requirements for teaching the subject or with small kids the age grade intellectual material and public decency standards.

Government doesn't fill schools full of propaganda - religious schools do.

The federal government shouldn't be involved in schools at all.

 

[CLAX1911]

The growth follows a string of recent victories in the Supreme Court and state legislatures by religious conservatives who have campaigned to tear down what once were constitutional prohibitions against spending tax money directly on religious education. It also marks a win for the school choice movement, which has spent decades campaigning to let parents use tax money for any school they see fit.
Voucher programs, which vary in their details, have grown particularly large in a half-dozen states. In each of these, participating families have overwhelmingly chosen religious schools, sometimes using the subsidy for schools their children were already attending before the programs began.

In Wisconsin, 96 percent of about 55,000 vouchers given this school year went toward religious schools, The Post found. In Indiana, 98 percent of vouchers go to religious schools. (Indiana state data only specifies the number of vouchers for schools with at least 10 recipients.)

In Florida, several programs combine to make every student in the state eligible for vouchers, with more than 400,000 participating this year. At least 82 percent of students attend religious schools, The Post found. Florida is first in the nation in both the number of enrolled students and total cost of the voucher program — more than $3 billion this year.

No pay wall.

https://wapo.st/4bOGSxS

It's a long article but it's well worth reading.

P.S. Taxpayers funding religious schools is wrong on many, many, many levels.

It's not the government giving money to religious schools. The government doesn't have any money it's the people sending their kids there. The taxes they would have paid to the school district is their money not the government's. When the government let's them keep their own money it isn't the government giving them anything it's the government simply not taking it.

If the government is good enough education this wouldn't exist. You're demanding people give money to something they don't use that's theft.

 

[CLAX1911]

And “liberals” don’t.

It's a lot better than taxpayer funded anti choice.