Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

[Noodlegawd]

The legislation, Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and standards for advanced drunk driving prevention technology systems in all new cars.

Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

Representatives Debbie Dingell (D-MI), Kathleen Rice (D-NY), and David McKinley (R-WV) today reintroduced legislation to reduce drunk driving deaths across the country. The legislation, the Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and...

www.clickondetroit.com

I wonder if this bill will ever see the light of day. I would settle for making drunk driving a felony on the first offense. That would probably be more effective. But I guess some public health crises that our lawmakers are complicit in ignoring are more "epidemicy" than others.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I generally assume bills that have someone's name in them are ill-conceived, poorly-reasoned, sloppily-written, and just bad laws in general.

I see nothing here to make me change my mind.

 

[RF667799]

Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

Representatives Debbie Dingell (D-MI), Kathleen Rice (D-NY), and David McKinley (R-WV) today reintroduced legislation to reduce drunk driving deaths across the country. The legislation, the Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and...

www.clickondetroit.com

I wonder if this bill will ever see the light of day. I would settle for making drunk driving a felony on the first offense. That would probably be more effective. But I guess some public health crises that our lawmakers are complicit in ignoring are more "epidemicy" than others.

Looks like the manufacturers have until 7-8 years after enactment to comply. Must not be too urgent.

 

[Bodi]

Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

Representatives Debbie Dingell (D-MI), Kathleen Rice (D-NY), and David McKinley (R-WV) today reintroduced legislation to reduce drunk driving deaths across the country. The legislation, the Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and...

www.clickondetroit.com

I wonder if this bill will ever see the light of day. I would settle for making drunk driving a felony on the first offense. That would probably be more effective. But I guess some public health crises that our lawmakers are complicit in ignoring are more "epidemicy" than others.

Too many issues with that... some people can handle 15 drinks and drive competently and some lightweight can smell beer and get woozy...

The system is already bullshit.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

Representatives Debbie Dingell (D-MI), Kathleen Rice (D-NY), and David McKinley (R-WV) today reintroduced legislation to reduce drunk driving deaths across the country. The legislation, the Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and...

www.clickondetroit.com

I wonder if this bill will ever see the light of day. I would settle for making drunk driving a felony on the first offense. That would probably be more effective. But I guess some public health crises that our lawmakers are complicit in ignoring are more "epidemicy" than others.

I had to get one of my young sailors out of jail for a DUI for sleeping in a parking lot of bar that was part of a strip mall. He had to much to drink so he decided to not drive back to the ship. It was winter and he had the engine running to keep warm.

He was dead asleep when the cops banged on his door.

Did he deserve a felony?

 

[molten_dragon]

I question how accurately any kind of passive sensing system could detect BAC. I suspect that either the sensitivity would be so low you'd have to be several times over the legal limit for it to detect that you're drunk or it would return a lot of false positives.

 

[Allan]

Too many issues with that... some people can handle 15 drinks and drive competently

Surely you jest.

 

[Torus34]

Surely you jest.

Hi!

The quote you responded to is just part of a number of American folk myths.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[holbritter]

Aren't vehicles expensive enough? Can it be optional so people that don't drink don't have to pay for the irresponsible behavior by others?

 

[Serenity]

His BAC was .306. and he killed an entire family along with himself. The bar he was drinking at prior to the accident plead guilty to serving an intoxicated person and was instructed to pay a $10,000 fine and refrain from selling alcohol for 9 days.

Just horrible.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Too many issues with that... some people can handle 15 drinks and drive competently and some lightweight can smell beer and get woozy...

The system is already bullshit.

Some people THING they can handle 15 drinks and drive competently. No one actually can.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Aren't vehicles expensive enough? Can it be optional so people that don't drink don't have to pay for the irresponsible behavior by others?

Nope. Everybody has to turn in their rights so we can be safe.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I question how accurately any kind of passive sensing system could detect BAC. I suspect that either the sensitivity would be so low you'd have to be several times over the legal limit for it to detect that you're drunk or it would return a lot of false positives.

That's why I think we should just dispense with the questionable and expensive technology and make it a felony to drive drunk, first offense. While we're at it, add speeding to the list of first of first offense felonies.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Looks like the manufacturers have until 7-8 years after enactment to comply. Must not be too urgent.

I doubt it will ever even get a vote. Even Dems don't care about the thousands of people killed every year enough to pass laws that will affect themselves. They only seem to care about saving lives when OTHER people have to give something up.

 

[Grand Mal]

Bill to stop drunk driving reintroduced 2 years after crash that killed Northville family

Representatives Debbie Dingell (D-MI), Kathleen Rice (D-NY), and David McKinley (R-WV) today reintroduced legislation to reduce drunk driving deaths across the country. The legislation, the Honoring Abbas Family Legacy to Terminate (HALT) Drunk Driving Act, will require the commercialization and...

www.clickondetroit.com

I wonder if this bill will ever see the light of day. I would settle for making drunk driving a felony on the first offense. That would probably be more effective. But I guess some public health crises that our lawmakers are complicit in ignoring are more "epidemicy" than others.

Sounds good on the surface but would the manufacturer be liable if the system malfunctions and an accident results? Is there absolutely no circumstance when someone who has been drinking needs to drive a vehicle? If a population can't accept smart-gun technology, will they be able to accept this?
And is it the nose of the camel being poked into the tent?

 

[mike2810]

I am not in favor of this Bill. Vehicles are getting carried away with "safety equipment" as it is now.
Even if the Bill passes the majority of vehicles on the road will not be new vehicles.
The Bill does little.

 

[Grand Mal]

I doubt it will ever even get a vote. Even Dems don't care about the thousands of people killed every year enough to pass laws that will affect themselves. They only seem to care about saving lives when OTHER people have to give something up.

Aaand there it is, the inevitable partisan hackery. There's no subject that can't be a gateway for partisan toxicity, right?

 

[Torus34]

Aaand there it is, the inevitable partisan hackery. There's no subject that can't be a gateway for partisan toxicicity, [sic] right?

Hi!

There are some who have been programmed to respond in a red/blue manner to many things these days. A secular humanist myself, I find it wryly amusing at times. There are other times, though, when I think of the role that political gridlock played in the rise of fascist regimes to positions of dominance. That does not lead to humor nor, for that matter, comfort.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[RF667799]

I doubt it will ever even get a vote. Even Dems don't care about the thousands of people killed every year enough to pass laws that will affect themselves. They only seem to care about saving lives when OTHER people have to give something up.

Very often that is the case.

In this case, people might not see it as actually affecting them though. There are more non-drunk drivers than there are drunk drivers. The effect of the legislation and the technology once it matures will mainly be an increase in the price of a car. Some will justify that as they do the very expensive diminishing returns of emission controls on cars. Others will pay it no attention because it is rolled into the price of the car and it isn't itemized on the window sticker.

 

[RF667799]

Sounds good on the surface but would the manufacturer be liable if the system malfunctions and an accident results? Is there absolutely no circumstance when someone who has been drinking needs to drive a vehicle? If a population can't accept smart-gun technology, will they be able to accept this?
And is it the nose of the camel being poked into the tent?

Those are all good points, and they would all leave you open to accusations of wanting to drink and drive and not caring about the innocent lives lost.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Aaand there it is, the inevitable partisan hackery. There's no subject that can't be a gateway for partisan toxicity, right?

In case you were operating under some delusion about where you are, this is the "Debate Politics" forum. If you'd like to have a friendly discussion about the merits of this automotive technology or that, without all the "partisan hackery," might I suggest one of a thousand sub-Reddits?

 

[Grand Mal]

Hi!

There are some who have been programmed to respond in a red/blue manner to many things these days. A secular humanist myself, I find it wryly amusing at times. There are other times, though, when I think of the role that political gridlock played in the rise of fascist regimes to positions of dominance. That does not lead to humor nor, for that matter, comfort.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

I agree.
And I caught that misspelling. Still low on caffeine, I guess.

 

[Grand Mal]

Those are all good points, and they would all leave you open to accusations of wanting to drink and drive and not caring about the innocent lives lost.

It's a wrapped-in-the-flag issue, innit? Unassailable moral high ground.

 

[mike2810]

Next, Congress will need to write a Bill to stop wrong way drivers.

 

[Grand Mal]

In case you were operating under some delusion about where you are, this is the "Debate Politics" forum. If you'd like to have a friendly discussion about the merits of this automotive technology or that, without all the "partisan hackery," might I suggest one of a thousand sub-Reddits?

Nah, It's kind of amusing. Usually it gets to the second page of posts before someone turns a neutral subject into low-level hackery but then there's others...