Biggest Political Comeback In US History?

[OlNate]

Seriously, Olfriend, Nate, look what you wrote to Fletch above and in your post before this one, especially your last line above where you wrote, the "smart people were ignored". It's that very arrogance that the electorate rebuked.

Fletch can speak for me anytime.
"Its seems that arrogant leftist Canadians have the same dopey explanation that arrogant leftist American have. Keep insulting the voters. Great strategy lol" ~ Fletch

Seriously Old Friend Trix, you didn't add anything to the discussion here. You didn't refute, you merely piled on - another very American tactic in the face of inconvenient truths.

I've learned a lot about Americans in 2024 through this election. Enough to be immune to American derision. Enough to shed some of my naivety. That's not because I was a Harris supporter, or a Trump hater. It's because I watched how you arrived at your decisions, what you believed and how you treated one another. It was both heart breaking and extremely sobering. And disappointing.

And that would have been true if Harris had won as well.

So, sure, call me arrogant or call me dopey, that's OK - somewhat hurtful, given the "OlFriend" bit, but how does one take that too too personally when that's just how you guys treat each other?

But, one more time, you have not disproven the assertion that the smart people were ignored. I know you don't care. Not yet.

I do hope you can enjoy your win for as long as possible, but given the way you folks continue to treat each other after this so called "winning", forgive me if I'm confused about what you think you won.

 

[Fletch]

"Resoundingly lost 20202"?

Trump lost the 2020 election by the slimmest number of battle-ground votes! 11K in GA, 19K in WI, 11K in AZ, etc.

Yes, but the EC count and the popular vote were decisive. The point is, he was beaten and counted out, but came back 4 years later to win. It is an amazing comeback if you can look at it objectively.

 

[trixare4kids]

Seriously Old Friend Trix, you didn't add anything to the discussion here. You didn't refute, you merely piled on - another very American tactic in the face of inconvenient truths.

I've learned a lot about Americans in 2024 through this election. Enough to be immune to American derision. Enough to shed some of my naivety. That's not because I was a Harris supporter, or a Trump hater. It's because I watched how you arrived at your decisions, what you believed and how you treated one another. It was both heart breaking and extremely sobering. And disappointing.

And that would have been true if Harris had won as well.

So, sure, call me arrogant or call me dopey, that's OK - somewhat hurtful, given the "OlFriend" bit, but how does one take that too too personally when that's just how you guys treat each other?

But, one more time, you have not disproven the assertion that the smart people were ignored. I know you don't care. Not yet.

I do hope you can enjoy your win for as long as possible, but given the way you folks continue to treat each other after this so called "winning", forgive me if I'm confused about what you think you won.

I did refute. I refuted your last two posts and cut for brevity. I told you that it is a losing proposition to keep insulting the electorate because that's clearly why Trump won the election. The voters spoke. They are not stupid. We don't have to apologize to those who campaigned on Nazi orange man bad, and his supporters are a garbage, fascist, racist cult. It's finished. Let's hope the Democrats take stock in themselves and drop hate as their strategy. TBH, the legacy media, theirs, didn't help their cause one bit.

Unless you want to apologize for writing to another Trump voter this, "But the smart people were ignored," I'm done here.

 

[trixare4kids]

Mike Huckabee just appointed as the Ambassador to Israel.

Bravo, Trump!

 

[Fletch]

hehe...oh buddy, if you only understood how little sting that holds. The thing about us "arrogant Canadians" is that this isn't our mess, we're merely observing yours, and we're not politically beholden to view it from behind any particular lens in order to avoid the night terrors of realization.

Don't worry, name calling is a perfectly American way to deal with uncomfortable realities. As an outsider it's on me to adapt to that, I wouldn't dare think of trying to change you. The problem is you can't refute what I said. The experts and Wall Street were ignored on the economy.

Don't let that sour the win for you. though. America has never needed to quantify their "wins", why start now? This was the will of the People, clearly, and I fully respect it, as I would respect any country's right to dictate their way forward. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad, right?

But the smart people were ignored.

Referring to the left as arrogant isnt really name calling. Its part of being on the left. And I suppose its a way for you Canadians to show your relevance. But no facts were ignored and no smart people were ignored. The left lost because of the people they ignored. But thats ok, I dont expect you to understand that. You are waaay too smart.

 

[eman623]

Buy new mirrors.

Just heard Kristi Noem was appointed as the Secretary of Homeland Security.
So much winning!

Terrorists, illegals and bad dogs beware!

 

[MAGAnificent]

Trump and his allies are stating that the recent election is the greatest comeback in history. Most polls had the election within the margin of error. In 1948 Dewey was leading Truman by 13 points and there were many outlets that prematurely announced Dewey as the next POTUS.
Is this the greatest comeback in history?

 

[Napoleon]

Trump and his allies are stating that the recent election is the greatest comeback in history. Most polls had the election within the margin of error. In 1948 Dewey was leading Truman by 13 points and there were many outlets that prematurely announced Dewey as the next POTUS.
Is this the greatest comeback in history?

That is how it is being described by every major outlet and it’s true as far as I can tell. Truman wasn’t a comeback and he did worse than Roosevelt. In ‘48, Truman won the majority of the EC and none of three candidates won the majority popular vote.

1944 Election: Roosevelt/Truman


1948 Election: Truman/Barkley


2024 Election: Trump/Vance

 

[trixare4kids]

I recall reading posts on this and other political debate forums when Trump lost to Biden encouraging and suggesting the new government (and anyone else that would respond to their diatribe) to harass even arrest anyone who backed Trump for 4 years...the same was true when he defeated Clinton.

It's human nature...****ed up but true.

Have you ever read about the Stanford experiment (the university)? That really shows human nature for what it is.

You've aptly described (and probably unbeknownst to you as you've only posted rarely) what the Democrat posters who were happy that Biden beat Trump did for four years. Rubbed their glee in the faces of Trump voters. Now, only six days after Trump was elected again, they are bleeding with projection. Rubbing their disappointment in the faces of Trump voters who are thrilled their candidate was reelected. I don't think any of the Trump supporters come near to how the libs, the Democrats, the others who are also anti-Trumps acted. Their behavior was and continues to be disgusting. This group acted even worse after Trump beat Hillary. Simply pathetic behavior from the butt hurt sore losers. No better this time or so it seems.

We are just now getting used to the idea that Trump won. Nobody seems to think we deserve being happy over the results. Well excuse us for being happy while they cry, whine, play their cards, parrot the legacy media pundits, call names, do the same shit they've been doing for the last 8 years. And then they wonder why they lost this election. The people voted against them.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Trump and his allies are stating that the recent election is the greatest comeback in history. Most polls had the election within the margin of error. In 1948 Dewey was leading Truman by 13 points and there were many outlets that prematurely announced Dewey as the next POTUS.
Is this the greatest comeback in history?

Not sure why you are bringing up Dewey. He was a candidate attempting to become president. Trump has already been a president. After two impeachments, the 1/6 hearings, and a slew of lawfare, I am not sure most in DC thought he would be the 47th president elect. If that's not the biggest comeback in regards to presidential politics, I am not sure what is.

 

[eman623]

Not sure why you are bringing up Dewey. He was a candidate attempting to become president. Trump has already been a president. After two impeachments, the 1/6 hearings, and a slew of lawfare, I am not sure most in DC thought he would be the 47th president elect. If that's not the biggest comeback in regards to presidential politics, I am not sure what is.

I think they are talking about Truman and his comeback against Dewey.

Truman's low point was when he had low poll numbers and was expected to lose in 48. Trump's low point was when he was defeated, impeached twice, indicted multiple times, expected to be bankrupted, sent to prison and almost assassinated.

I think that gives Trump the biggest comeback award.

 

[ataraxia]

Imagine how awful the policies of liberals must be that the country would overwhelmingly vote for a man as terrible as you describe?

It's more about how great liars Trump and Fox News are.

It's about telling people what they want to hear, not the truth. Truth doesn't sell very well.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Imagine how awful the policies of liberals must be that the country would overwhelmingly vote for a man as terrible as you describe?

That has been my point. It's while I said Harris would lose weeks before the election. Josh Barro wrote a great article on it here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/11/election-2024-liberal-loss/680591/

 

[trixare4kids]

It's more about how great liars Trump and Fox News are.

It's about telling people what they want to hear, not the truth. Truth doesn't sell very well.

Irony is ironic.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Is this the greatest comeback in history?

No, not the greatest comeback in history. That is a bit much. But that said it is one of the better comebacks in the modern era, in terms of not just what the majority of polling and commentary was saying would happen against what actually did happen but even the tone of the evening to start to around 10pm was very reminiscent of the 2016 result.

For example, seeing the northeast "blue wall" of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin entirely collapse was huge. While the races in those states were close margins for Trump to win, going into election night the polling and commentary had them all more Harris by much larger margins. She lost them all, and I would argue the Pennsylvania results was a bit of a F-U to Harris. There was some sense of ability to keep North Carolina and Georgia in the running as possible help, neither one ended up in her column.

Another example, against 2020 Trump made gains in just about every demographic and all things considered is the first Republican in 20 years to win the popular vote. A solid EC count win on the back of Trump winning all the "battleground" states.

A last example, Democrats critically misread the voter and it turns out many voted entirely on their lives were better off 4 years ago. Economics, spending power, outlook, etc. Plenty including the Hispanic and minority vote was concerned about the border and crime. And, for the most part all the identity politics, woke policies, abortion, and climate matters ended up a nonfactor. As in single digits at best as influencers crushed by concerns over economics and crime.

Was a hell of a comeback thou, cannot objectively look at this differently.

The part of the working class ended up ignoring their issues only to see them find another home. Trump's party.

 

[OlNate]

I did refute. I refuted your last two posts and cut for brevity. I told you that it is a losing proposition to keep insulting the electorate because that's clearly why Trump won the election. The voters spoke. They are not stupid. We don't have to apologize to those who campaigned on Nazi orange man bad, and his supporters are a garbage, fascist, racist cult. It's finished. Let's hope the Democrats take stock in themselves and drop hate as their strategy. TBH, the legacy media, theirs, didn't help their cause one bit.

Unless you want to apologize for writing to another Trump voter this, "But the smart people were ignored," I'm done here.

No, you didn't refute. At all. You just complained about what you perceived as the same treatment you dish out. It wasn't. But by all means, be offended, it's the American equivalent of a baby soother. As I said before, if it makes you happy it can't be that bad.

The smart people were ignored on the economy. The folks on Wall Street, the Nobel prize winning economists. Do with that what you will, I will never, ever apologize for telling the truth. Be "done" if you must.

PS: I grew out of the Nazi thing a long time ago, and I even said that the whole Cheney thing was a nonsense misrepresentation of what Trump said. Your Pavlovian assumption that I'm only talking about the right here is on brand, but incorrect. I never once said anything about right or left. I said America. Take the feedback or don't, I don't give a ****. For now we're free to share our opinions here. This is mine.

 

[OlNate]

Referring to the left as arrogant isnt really name calling. Its part of being on the left. And I suppose its a way for you Canadians to show your relevance. But no facts were ignored and no smart people were ignored. The left lost because of the people they ignored. But thats ok, I dont expect you to understand that. You are waaay too smart.

Cool story, bro. I care so much.

In the meantime, you have failed to refute, so the point stands. America ignored the smart people on the economy - the experts, the ones who know what they are talking about and stand to lose the most if the wrong plan was picked. Don't worry, I know that's irrelevant too. Which is why they were ignored. In an election that was supposedly about the economy.

Yep... waaaay too smart.

 

[CharisRose]

That is how it is being described by every major outlet and it’s true as far as I can tell. Truman wasn’t a comeback and he did worse than Roosevelt. In ‘48, Truman won the majority of the EC and none of three candidates won the majority popular vote.

1944 Election: Roosevelt/Truman
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1948 Election: Truman/Barkley
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2024 Election: Trump/Vance
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Thanks! A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[trixare4kids]

Cool story, bro. I care so much.

In the meantime, you have failed to refute, so the point stands. America ignored the smart people on the economy - the experts, the ones who know what they are talking about and stand to lose the most if the wrong plan was picked. Don't worry, I know that's irrelevant too. Which is why they were ignored. In an election that was supposedly about the economy.

Yep... waaaay too smart.

More crap. The arrogant Democratic Party ignored much of their base, the working class, blue collar workers, who kept telling them that they were hurting. They see themselves having to compete for jobs with people who don't even have permission to be in the country. Unchecked migration hurts the livlihood of the working class in this country, especially in construction. Some of these people have never gotten their jobs back since the pandemic, and have to work two jobs or more to make ends meet. They suffer from having their jobs shipped out of the country. They financially are not better under the economy of Biden/Harris. They ignored them. As a result, the working class, voted them out. They'd rather go after Trump and his supporters and that was a big mistake making the election more about them that the issues that need addressing. You don't live in this country. You don't know what issues the electorate said they wanted addressed. The economy and immigration were the top two. Though economists said the economy was improving, and inflation was in check, the working class was still feeling the pinch. High interest rates cost them more out of their pocket for loans. High gas prices, higher fuel costs to heat their homes, more out of their pocket for rising insurance costs, and don't even get me started with how they're hurting at the grocery store. You only get what your media tells you, and I think you've been sadly misled.

 

[OlNate]

More crap. The arrogant Democratic Party ignored much of their base, the working class, blue collar workers, who kept telling them that they were hurting. Some of these people have never gotten their jobs back since the pandemic, and have to work two jobs or more to make ends meet. They financially are not better under the economy of Biden/Harris. They ignored them. As a result, the working class, voted them out. They'd rather go after Trump and his supporters and that was a big mistake making the election more about them that the issues that need addressing. You don't live in this country. You don't know what issues the electorate said they wanted addressed. The economy and immigration were the top two. Though economists said the economy was improving, and inflation was in check, the working class was still feeling the pinch. High gas prices, fuel to heat their homes, more out of their pocket for insurance, and don't even get me started with how they're hurting at the grocery store. You only get what your media tells you, and I think you've been sadly misled.

Yep, it's all a conspiracy, it's all crap, and I don't know anything.

Just keep repeating that over and over, and the next four years will be full of zippity doo dah days. Just like the last time.

Let's take a break, Trix. We're not treating each other like friends, and I'm bored of the same old bullshit. I haven't been responding to your posts since the election for a reason. What I have to say isn't something one says to friends they hope to keep. I say that with complete sincerity and a hope that one day things will simmer down, to where we'll be able to at least share something even remotely resembling a consensus on reality.

 

[trixare4kids]

Yep, it's all a conspiracy, it's all crap, and I don't know anything.

Just keep repeating that over and over, and the next four years will be full of zippity doo dah days. Just like the last time.

Let's take a break, Trix. We're not treating each other like friends, and I'm bored of the same old bullshit. I haven't been responding to your posts since the election for a reason. What I have to say isn't something one says to friends they hope to keep. I say that with complete sincerity and a hope that one day things will simmer down, to where we'll be able to at least share something even remotely resembling a consensus on reality.

No, I will not take a break. You didn't even read what I wrote. I SAID the economy has improved. Stop pretending that people don't know this or are smart enough to acknowledge. Here's what you are not getting though.
The working class isn't feeling it. I wrote about the reasons they are suffering. You ignored it. They felt abandoned by Biden policy, and they saw a future with Harris as more of the same. So, they voted for change. You take a break until you understand that the Democratic Party deserved the beating they took on November 5th.

 

[Revelation]

Buy new mirrors.

Just heard Kristi Noem was appointed as the Secretary of Homeland Security.

wow, i love Kristi. can we make about 50 more Kristi's and put them in governing all the 50 states?

california, NY and IL may need about 50 Kristi's to turn their dumpster around; add a few more to my bill. thanks

i feel bad for South Dakota, she was the few rays of Light during Covid.....amazing. she is pro business and pro jobs. did i mention pro american. ??

So much winning!

well like Orange said, we will win so much we will get 'tired of winning'.

meh, don't think so...............can we?

well when the last ignorant Lefty is converted over, then maybe a little tired.

blessings. wow, wow wow.

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[OlNate]

No, I will not take a break. You didn't even read what I wrote. I SAID the economy has improved. Stop pretending that people don't know this or are smart enough to acknowledge. Here's what you are not getting though.
The working class isn't feeling it. I wrote about the reasons they are suffering. You ignored it. They felt abandoned by Biden policy, and they saw a future with Harris as more of the same. So, they voted for change. You take a break until you understand that the Democratic Party deserved the beating they took on November 5th.

You may have the last word. I value you more than a debate that will never convince you, and will most likely lead to our inability to discuss things in the future. I didn't want to have this discussion with you in the first place. I concede nothing, but am willing to sacrifice nothing in order to push the issue.

So you win again. So much winning. At least you got a couple likes out of it. See ya around, Trix.