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Big ongoing demostrations in Tel Aviv

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On Friday, thousands gathered in Tel Aviv to demonstrate against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli ultra right government and how they are conducting the war in Gaza. The protests have continued tonight (right now, it is evening in Israel) and the protesters are met with watercannons.

"Everyone here wants the government to reach an agreement with Hamas so that they can get the Israeli hostage in Gaza home" says the swedish televisions correspondent on site in Tel Aviv Voices against the fatal plight imposed on Palestinians in Gaza are also being raised in the sea of protests.


 
On Friday, thousands gathered in Tel Aviv to demonstrate against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli ultra right government and how they are conducting the war in Gaza. The protests have continued tonight (right now, it is evening in Israel) and the protesters are met with watercannons.

"Everyone here wants the government to reach an agreement with Hamas so that they can get the Israeli hostage in Gaza home" says the swedish televisions correspondent on site in Tel Aviv Voices against the fatal plight imposed on Palestinians in Gaza are also being raised in the sea of protests.



I think Israeli leaders have put themselves in a hopelessly bad situation.

Hamas will not agree a deal that

A. Doesn't include an end to the war

B. Doesn't include them retaining their role in Gaza

Eventually, the way things are going, there will be only dead Israeli hostages to bargain with and the backlash for that will be on Netanyahu and co. That's on top of the security debacle that was 7th October and the corruption/attack on the judiciary prior to both.

Hamas will not be defeated and the hostages will only be freed in a deal. But these are the western msm viewpoints, anyone with any sense understands that the aim is really to ethnically cleanse Gaza by way of a genocidal attack.
 
I think Israeli leaders have put themselves in a hopelessly bad situation.

Hamas will not agree a deal that

A. Doesn't include an end to the war

B. Doesn't include them retaining their role in Gaza

Eventually, the way things are going, there will be only dead Israeli hostages to bargain with and the backlash for that will be on Netanyahu and co. That's on top of the security debacle that was 7th October and the corruption/attack on the judiciary prior to both.

Hamas will not be defeated and the hostages will only be freed in a deal. But these are the western msm viewpoints, anyone with any sense understands that the aim is really to ethnically cleanse Gaza by way of a genocidal attack.
We also have to keep in mind that the Israeli newsoutlets doesn't report on the terrible conditions and slaughter of the Palestinians on Gaza, so those who oppose it must have found out on their own.
 
We also have to keep in mind that the Israeli newsoutlets doesn't report on the terrible conditions and slaughter of the Palestinians on Gaza, so those who oppose it must have found out on their own.

Yep, and they censor anyone else they can as we saw so openly with the shutting down in Israel of Al Jazeera.

We also have to be honest about the sentiment of the Israeli public wrt the war itself.A big majority support the war with some even saying the destruction of Gaza isn't being carried out enough and more should be done.

That's understandable after 7th October attack but the rise of anti Palestinian sentiment in the Israeli Jewish population has been steadily increasing for decades.

For the very last part of your comment, the bit about Israelis finding out by themselves, I think that's why you are seeing such a Israeli backlash to pro Palestinian actions, to suppress that evidence that inspires the message they are presenting.
 
Obviously those Israelis are anti-Semitic given some of the responses we see on this forum.
 
Yep, and they censor anyone else they can as we saw so openly with the shutting down in Israel of Al Jazeera.

We also have to be honest about the sentiment of the Israeli public wrt the war itself.A big majority support the war with some even saying the destruction of Gaza isn't being carried out enough and more should be done.

That's understandable after 7th October attack but the rise of anti Palestinian sentiment in the Israeli Jewish population has been steadily increasing for decades.

For the very last part of your comment, the bit about Israelis finding out by themselves, I think that's why you are seeing such a Israeli backlash to pro Palestinian actions, to suppress that evidence that inspires the message they are presenting.
Actually it is not just a picture that is distributed from Israel. The US news outlets are to some extent doing the same. I have noticed that very often, the US news outlets do not report events until they reach just about all news outlets in Europe.

Add to this that many US supporters for Israel's current government try to use their so-called expertise to disorient the message in Europe as well. As an example: Recently we had the Eurovision here in Sweden, Malmö. Since Israel was permitted to join there were big demonstrations during the event. The bigger ones being Pro-palestinians. The American rabbi Abraham Cooper from the Simon Wiesenthal Center (which issued a travel warning for Malmö 14 years ago) wrote a debate article in our biggest and most influencial morningpaper, were he paints Malmö as an anti-Semitic city. He insisted that speaking Hebrew in public was out of the question, and almost no one was seen wearing the traditional kippa, suggesting that this was due to strong anti-Semitic sentiments in the city. but this time he pizzed of the wrong person and another influencial person answered him 2 days later in the same paper.

I will provide you with a translation of the replay and a link to both articles (but they are behind paywall) in next post. I need to stress that we do have antisemitism in Sweden, as well as in Malmö but they are not driven by the pro-Palestinian movement, more by the Swedish ultra right and Muslim fundamentalists.
 
Translation:
Headline: Rabbi Upset Over Malmö's Image: "Portrayed as the Black Sheep"

Introduction:
When Rabbi Moshe David HaCohen sums up the Eurovision week, it is hope he feels. But also irritation over how both Swedish and international press have reported from the city.

"Several have had an obviously anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim agenda," he says.

When over 10,000 people demonstrated against Israel's war in Gaza in central Malmö on Thursday, Moshe David HaCohen stood a little distance away, at Davidshall Square, listening to the Jewish folk song Hava Nagila. Around a hundred people had gathered to welcome the artist Eden Golan to the city, play Israeli pop songs, and wave Israeli flags. The rabbi, who previously led the Jewish community in the city, felt some concern about how the evening would unfold.
“For many in Malmö, the war is personal; hundreds of people have family members who have been killed in Gaza. Several Israelis are also directly affected.”
During the demonstrations, Moshe David HaCohen had direct contact with Muslim leaders in the pro-Palestinian rally. It turned out to be a peaceful event. Both demonstrations were held safely.

Now that Eurovision is over, the city can breathe a sigh of relief, and Moshe David HaCohen feels relieved.
“We have been worried about the safety of the Jewish community in general. But while media around the world reported how terrible the situation in Malmö was, I felt hopeful,” says Moshe David HaCohen. He is strongly critical of how several Israeli media outlets have described Malmö.
“They have wanted to stir up emotions, looking for problems. Malmö has been labeled as the black sheep.”

He has personally met several Israeli journalists who seemed to have predetermined angles – and had a clear goal with their reporting.


“They have emphasized that Malmö has a large Muslim population, and that for that simple reason, the city is in decline. Even during this week's demonstrations, the image of Malmö that has been spread has been problematic at times,” he believes.

“They report on how 10,000 people are out on the streets protesting against Israel. But they do not report that there has recently been no anti-Semitic rhetoric, that the large synagogue has been completely spared from protests. Not everything that is anti-Israel is anti-Semitic,” he says.
Even Swedish media have contributed to spreading a skewed image of Malmö before and during Eurovision, Moshe David HaCohen believes. When Svenska Dagbladet's political editor-in-chief Tove Lifvendahl summed up Eurovision week, it was under the headline “Sweden lost in Malmö.”

“The security of the Jewish community in Malmö has been taken very seriously from all sides, the municipality, volunteer organizations, the organizers of the pro-Palestinian demonstrations, and the police. Freedom of speech has been respected, and everything has proceeded peacefully,” he says.

He himself was upset when he heard about the headline on Dagens Nyheter's debate page over the weekend: “Malmö should not host any more events.” In the debate article, written by the American rabbi Abraham Cooper from the Simon Wiesenthal Center in the USA, Malmö is portrayed as an anti-Semitic city.
Fourteen years ago, the center warned Jews against traveling to Malmö. That warning remains in place, the American rabbi explained.

“From the Jewish side in Sweden, we have previously asked him not to interfere. The only thing he achieves is harming the Jewish community. Who is he punishing when he advises Jews not to visit Malmö? This city does so much for the Jewish community.” Does this make you upset?

“Yes, making Malmö city an enemy in this way, portraying every Palestinian as an enemy or the Muslim congregations as enemies, is serious. The debate article contains several inaccuracies – for example, it is claimed that no one in Malmö has been convicted of anti-Semitic hate crimes in recent years. That is not true. Several such convictions have been made – most recently in March when a student was convicted of incitement to racial hatred after inciting against Jews and Blacks in a classroom.”

“That a high-ranking person like Cooper spreads false information is concerning. I do not like this kind of external intervention at all.”

Moshe David HaCohen points out that the fear expressed by several members of the Jewish community in Malmö should, of course, be taken very seriously.
“I am not naive; there is definitely friction between groups. There are indeed problems with anti-Semitism, which is something that schools, in particular, need to address. Many Jewish children feel unsafe. But the past week gives me hope that the safety of Jews in Malmö will continue to be taken seriously so that we can live in peaceful coexistence in Malmö.”
 
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