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Big Bang Theory

God did it is not a scientific question. Science is what can be observed and measure: evolution/Big Bang and creation can not be measure or observed; happened before you were born.
Whether or not Gods did something is a scientific question.

Whether or not gods are true is a scientific question.
 
Whether or not Gods did something is a scientific question.

Whether or not gods are true is a scientific question.

God is above science; he created science for this present era so we would have natural laws to work with. for the most part Newtonian physics gets the job done. we heat our homes, gas in the car and computers to Edify one another on this forum.

but God doesn't always go with our Primitive ways of doing things, he speaks and it is done; basically how the Universe was Created. LOL, he didn't need 'billions and billions' of anything.

maybe we do, but we think in tiny Little Ghettos.

he doesn't.

in heaven, we may experience a whole new way of doing things. no time clocks or conventional tools needed.

i can understand an atheist's dilemma, he is stuck with a Crude theory hoping the thing works when new facts are discovered. if not creatively make up a few more theories and call it a day.

Christians don't sweat things, God is infinite and can do whatever. we don't have a Box to think in, so we think in Infinite Terms.

your choice: theories that hardly make sense and don't work, or an Almighty God that can handle any situation perfectly every time without fail.

i know what i am going with.
 
Where did the pure oneness come from?

From what has always existed.

Nothing is ever birthed nor dies, it changes form.

Everything always was and always will be.
Its pretty simple really.
The problem is how people think. We think.in terms of beginnings and ends.
 
You prefer an 'almost infinitely complex universe' created itself?

I prefer that you allow me to give my own answers rather than strawman me. The most reasonable answer is that we don’t know, but that does not mean that we simply overlay a “Creator” and claim that is the final answer. Rather, scientists will keep looking. That is what science is about. The religionists claim to have all the answers, but scientists know that there are sill natural mysteries out there to be solved.
 

evidence at times is kind of sneaky.

on another forum they are worried about nucle@r warfare from Submarines. sure enuf we helped the russians make quieter subs here in the West.

i just learned of this today.

but it got me thinking: did it matter? so they made Super Quiet subs we couldn't detect and could destroy us easily with these things if someone over there wanted to.

but for the Christian we know the above IS not true. God protected us, didn't matter if they had 10 million nuclear subs out there; all those subs do nothing unless the Almighty allows them to 'push the button'.

so it is in your Life today, you are facing a variety of things, maybe some hair raising stuff, i don't know.

what i do know is the same Great God that stops the nukes from flying is waiting to hear from you. creating a Universe is no sweat, one day's work of speaking to it and off it goes. your Big Bang thoughts are too small.

be blessed.

oh yeah, the CNC nuke story i was referring too...

According to the web search results, Toshiba supplying Soviets with the precision CNC machines during the Cold War did help quiet their subs. The machines were used to make propellers that reduced the noise of the Soviet submarines and made them harder to detect by the US sonar technology This was considered a major setback for the West and a violation of the CoCom agreement that restricted the export of sensitive technology to the Eastern Bloc13 The incident caused diplomatic tensions between the US and Japan and Norway, and resulted in sanctions and prosecutions of the companies and individuals involved. You.com
 
nope, the 'entity' is very real.

hmmm.

this is kinda how he did it, details at the heavenly home.

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I think that is the perfect cartoon. It shows the “Creation” and the Adam and Eve story to basically be children’s fairy tales, although many adults also believe them. The first cartoon panel above is also important because it shows that the adults who believe in the fairy talesstart telling them over and over to very young children hoping that they will also grow up to believe them. Many do. Some reject such myths. They are called atheists.
 
Always? Even the beginning had to have a beginning.

Lol

Exactly the flawed thinking I spoke to.

There could not have been a beginning, there cannot be an end.

Look at anything in the universe. From our little world and everything on it to black holes and universes.

Yes, universes, called multiverse.

Peace
 

i am 'Equal Opportunity'.

this weekend i visited some ministers and was curious what kind of religious instruction they sided with.

after some brief questioning they labeled me above their theological understanding...........i was shocked.

is the Bar in churches so Low now that a Laymen such as i, am considered to be an 'expert' in these matters ??? well i quickly denied it and told them that the subject matter wasn't that difficult.........but it does worry me.

i haven't reviewed much of these forums but there should be more christians here answering the rather boiler plate types of materials. so we just continually play along with this, no real break throughs? are christians praying for this forum, where are the Converts?

a minister preached on this at a revival service, where are the miracles we used to see in our midst he questioned? and yes it bothers me too.

few there be that find it.

Edit, back in the Day, sinners used to repent just with the presence of a great Spirit Filled minister in their midst without saying a word. we are so impoverished, our thinkers today are satisfied with Empty Atheism. groan.
 
Even if you argue eternity, at some point there had to be something. The only question, is what made that something?
 
Even if you argue eternity, at some point there had to be something. The only question, is what made that something?

Hey, listen, you are just not getting it.

Over the next several weeks think about what I have told you. Really think it though daily.

You'll come around if you do the mental work to process it.

Peace ✌
 
Hey, listen, you are just not getting it.

Over the next several weeks think about what I have told you. Really think it though daily.

You'll come around if you do the mental work to process it.

Peace ✌
What is there to come around to? Seriously? That there has ALWAYS been something and always will be? Oh hell, I can go along with that theory. There has always been something, but what hasn't been explained - WHAT WAS that something and how did that something come into being????
 

It did not come into being. It just always was.

Everything always was, always will be.
 
like my Truck repair illustration, throwing parts at a Truck does not make or repair a Truck.
You NEEEEEED a intelligent Repairman or Manufacturing agent to do that
same with Big Bang....
God the repairman. OK, this is beyond nonsensical. This is your argument FOR God? And you're saying the Big Bang Theory is just about throwing things around? What is this, troll time at the church?
 
he speaks and it is done
How does that work exactly? So your God has a mouth and vocal cords? And "speaking" implies sound, which is waves in the air. So there's air where this God is? And how exactly do those sound waves produce some tangible thing, you know, like the Earth and the Sun? Or does God speak into a computer, which then generates or carries out the order? Like, "Alexa, generate me a Universe, please."

I ask to point out how utterly ridiculous and vacuous your claim is. And besides, your denigration of the Big Bang Theory is truly pathetic, especially coming from someone who obviously doesn't know shit about it.
 
I believe there was only originally pure energy within the singularity and no separation of particles within itself.
This would have to be true, or Mach's Principle would prevent the bang.
 
Is there a point, or are you going to continue to deflect?
 
Immaterial. It's about the quality of evidence provided. If one makes an affirmative claim, they bear the burden of proving it. Or at the very least, provide objective evidence. Testimonial evidence is very poor quality and notoriously unreliable and is always surpassed by objective evidence. So if you're going to claim something along the lines of God did whatever, then the onus of proof is on you and mere claims, experience, or belief isn't good enough.
 
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