Biden wants to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines

[Bucky]

Once again, the president is acting like a dictator, attempting to bypass Congress to implement rules and regulations that the American people don’t want.

Biden will likely issue executive orders which exceed his authority to restrict Second Amendment rights.

This is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I'm against banning them.

But if you oppose taking any additional steps to control firearms at this point I really don't get it. They should at the very least have a similar process to getting a driver's license.

 

[mrjurrs]

Once again, the president is acting like a dictator, attempting to bypass Congress to implement rules and regulations that the American people don’t want.

Biden will likely issue executive orders which exceed his authority to restrict Second Amendment rights.

This is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

When assault style weapons were banned for a decade, crimes using assault style weapons went down.

There is no reason to have massive amounts of ammunition available to someone so they don't have to reload.

Better a slap in the face than a random bullet.

 

[Bucky]

When assault style weapons were banned for a decade, crimes using assault style weapons went down.

There is no reason to have massive amounts of ammunition available to someone so they don't have to reload.

Better a slap in the face than a random bullet.

You have no actual proof of that statement.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[mrjurrs]

You have no actual proof of that statement.

Correlation does not imply causation.

That would be incorrect...
The ban did work, and a number of studies lay that out.
-University of Massachusetts researcher Louis Klarevas, author of the book “Rampage Nation,” found that the number of gun massacres dropped by 37 percent and the number of gun massacre deaths fell by 43 percent while the ban was in effect compared to the previous decade. After the ban lapsed in 2004, those numbers dramatically rose – a 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.
-A 2019 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery found that, based on data from 1981 to 2017, there were fewer mass-shooting deaths while the ban was in place.
-A 2017 study in the Journal of Urban Health observed that law enforcement recovery of assault weapons fell nationwide while the ban was in place, indicating that they were used in fewer crimes, but increased after the ban expired.
-A 2004 University of Pennsylvania study conducted for the Justice Department explained that the use of assault weapons in crime declined by 70 percent nine years after the Assault Weapons Ban took effect.

Studies: Gun Massacre Deaths Dropped During Assault Weapons Ban, Increased After Expiration | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Gun massacres fell 37 percent while ban was in place, rose by 183 percent after ban...

www.judiciary.senate.gov

And correlation also does not imply that there is no causation.

 

[JMB1911A1]

When assault style weapons were banned for a decade, crimes using assault style weapons went down.

There is no reason to have massive amounts of ammunition available to someone so they don't have to reload.

Better a slap in the face than a random bullet.

No they didn’t. Stop repeating the BS spouted by the lying dog faced pony soldier Biden.

The Federal Government’s Own Study Concluded Its Ban on 'Assault Weapons' Didn't Reduce Gun Violence

The Department of Justice funded a study to analyze the government's previous ban on "assault weapons." The DOJ noted that decline in the use of assault weapons "was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns.”

fee.org

 

[MamboDervish]

Biden wants to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines​

I'm OK with both of those positions, at least as far as future sales go. Just as it was with the previous assault weapons ban, I have no expectation that we should attempt to take them from those who already have them. We never took any away when the 1994 ban was imposed either.

 

[mrjurrs]

No they didn’t. Stop repeating the BS spouted by the lying dog faced pony soldier Biden.

The Federal Government’s Own Study Concluded Its Ban on 'Assault Weapons' Didn't Reduce Gun Violence

The Department of Justice funded a study to analyze the government's previous ban on "assault weapons." The DOJ noted that decline in the use of assault weapons "was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns.”

fee.org

Did you read your source? If so, perhaps you can tell me which Federal study it was referring to?

 

[eohrnberger]

No they didn’t. Stop repeating the BS spouted by the lying dog faced pony soldier Biden.

The Federal Government’s Own Study Concluded Its Ban on 'Assault Weapons' Didn't Reduce Gun Violence

The Department of Justice funded a study to analyze the government's previous ban on "assault weapons." The DOJ noted that decline in the use of assault weapons "was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns.”

fee.org

Not to mention that there still isn't a definition for the 'assault weapons' to be banned, or at least I haven't seen that definition.

 

[rahl]

When assault style weapons were banned for a decade, crimes using assault style weapons went down.

since none of the weapons were actually "banned", how do you figure?

There is no reason to have massive amounts of ammunition available to someone so they don't have to reload.

Better a slap in the face than a random bullet.

what is "massive amounts of ammunition"?

 

[JMB1911A1]

That would be incorrect...
The ban did work, and a number of studies lay that out.
-University of Massachusetts researcher Louis Klarevas, author of the book “Rampage Nation,” found that the number of gun massacres dropped by 37 percent and the number of gun massacre deaths fell by 43 percent while the ban was in effect compared to the previous decade. After the ban lapsed in 2004, those numbers dramatically rose – a 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.
-A 2019 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery found that, based on data from 1981 to 2017, there were fewer mass-shooting deaths while the ban was in place.
-A 2017 study in the Journal of Urban Health observed that law enforcement recovery of assault weapons fell nationwide while the ban was in place, indicating that they were used in fewer crimes, but increased after the ban expired.
-A 2004 University of Pennsylvania study conducted for the Justice Department explained that the use of assault weapons in crime declined by 70 percent nine years after the Assault Weapons Ban took effect.

Studies: Gun Massacre Deaths Dropped During Assault Weapons Ban, Increased After Expiration | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Gun massacres fell 37 percent while ban was in place, rose by 183 percent after ban...

www.judiciary.senate.gov

And correlation also does not imply that there is no causation.

Sorry, I don’t trust anything promoted by DiFi who is on record as wanting gun confiscation in this country.

“Mr and Mrs America, turn them in”.

 

[Roadvirus]

Once again, the president is acting like a dictator, attempting to bypass Congress to implement rules and regulations that the American people don’t want.

Biden will likely issue executive orders which exceed his authority to restrict Second Amendment rights.

This is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

Coming from the idiot Prez who doesn't know what a pistol brace does and thinks blasting a shotgun through a door willy nilly is okay.

 

[Sabre]

Most people base their opinion of what is an assault weapon on appearance, which is about like this


The assumption also is that "assault rifles" are the most used weapon in mass shootings, another fallacy as shown in this chart:

 

[JMB1911A1]

Did you read your source? If so, perhaps you can tell me which Federal study it was referring to?

Well here is one.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

“Ban impact on gun violence likely to be small”.

 

[JMB1911A1]

 

[Chillfolks]

Coming from the idiot Prez who doesn't know what a pistol brace does and thinks blasting a shotgun through a door willy nilly is okay.

That can’t be said enough. The same person saying assault weapons are bad has given out advice to just shoot a shotgun out the window when you hear a noise.

I could at least respect a politician who is on favor of banning certain weapons also required any protection details private or government be limited to the same restrictions. Put their own lives on the line and set the example of what’s needed to defend a family.

 

[MamboDervish]

How silly of you to provide those images. The "capacity" is a function of the magazine, and it's obvious that, as pictured, those two weapons in post #15 are NOT the same.

 

[mrjurrs]

Well here is one.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

“Ban impact on gun violence likely to be small”.

From your source (which by the way was not a part of the original source that claimed to have a federal study in it) My bold added.
"This report has not been published by the U.S. Department of Justice. To provide better customer service, NCJRS has made this Federally funded grant final report available electronically in addition to traditional paper copies."

Just because the federal government provided funds doesn't make it a federal study

 

[mrjurrs]

Sorry, I don’t trust anything promoted by DiFi who is on record as wanting gun confiscation in this country.

“Mr and Mrs America, turn them in”.

You don't have to trust her. What are you claiming is not true?

 

[MamboDervish]

The assumption also is that "assault rifles" are the most used weapon in mass shootings, another fallacy as shown in this chart:

Whose assumption is that? Nobody I know who advocates for that ban believes they are "the most used in mass shootings". Pretty much everyone knows that handguns reign in the mass shootings arena, and to no surprise. They are the cheapest, most widespread, most commonly available, and easiest to conceal - obviously.

 

[rahl]

Whose assumption is that? Nobody I know who advocates for that ban believes they are "the most used in mass shootings". Pretty much everyone knows that handguns reign in the mass shootings arena, and to no surprise. They are the cheapest, most widespread, most commonly available, and easiest to conceal - obviously.

you should probably read through some of the threads in this sub forum. Almost to a person, anti gun posters claim that "assault weapons" specifically AR's, are the weapon of choice for mass shootings.

 

[poppopfox]

Once again, the president is acting like a dictator, attempting to bypass Congress to implement rules and regulations that the American people don’t want.

The president is acting like a leader, you just don't like the direction he wants to take to address the problem of mass shootings/school children massacres.

Biden will likely issue executive orders which exceed his authority to restrict Second Amendment rights.

Has he? Or is this just another bit of rabid right-wing propaganda and fear mongering?

This is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

Only to those with an unhealthy firearms fetish..

This, my friend, is an actual slap in the face to all law-abiding Americans -

The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting:

• May 24, 2022: The Uvalde, Texas, mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that killed 19 students and two teachers.
• May 14, 2022: The Buffalo, N.Y., Tops supermarket shooting that left 10 people dead.
• Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Fla., leaves 17 people dead.
• Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.
• Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people. Two others died later from their injuries.
• June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.
• Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.
• Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives.

What steps are the Republicans in Congress taking to address these unnecessary killings of their constituents and their children? Don't answer, we know who butters their bread.

 

[Moon]

Once again, the president is acting like a dictator, attempting to bypass Congress to implement rules and regulations that the American people don’t want.

Biden will likely issue executive orders which exceed his authority to restrict Second Amendment rights.

This is a slap in the face to law-abiding citizens.

As usual, gun control zealots are looking in the wrong direction. Lawful gun owners aren’t the problem, so this is just more harassment.

 

[rahl]

The president is acting like a leader, you just don't like the direction he wants to take to address the problem of mass shootings/school children massacres.

Has he? Or is this just another bit of rabid right-wing propaganda and fear mongering?

Only to those with an unhealthy firearms fetish..

This, my friend, is an actual slap in the face to all law-abiding Americans -

The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting:

• May 24, 2022: The Uvalde, Texas, mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that killed 19 students and two teachers.
• May 14, 2022: The Buffalo, N.Y., Tops supermarket shooting that left 10 people dead.
• Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Fla., leaves 17 people dead.
• Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.
• Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people. Two others died later from their injuries.
• June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.
• Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.
• Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives.

What steps are the Republicans in Congress taking to address these unnecessary killings of their constituents and their children? Don't answer, we know who butters their bread.

AR's are used in less than 1% of all shootings, and less than 25% of mass shootings. Setting aside the fact that he is precluded from banning them, it would have no effect on mass shootings or shootings of any kind.

 

[poppopfox]

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I see you've been properly propagandized by the NRA. Care to source the above meme?