Biden talks with senators about voting rights

[ouch]

And I say ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act awaits the Senate to hopefully discuss and vote. This is the most important issue to pound through Congress as quick as possible even with the known roadblocks positioned to kill it, but it's still a fight worth having. When all is said and done, it's all about fairness and for all to vote in a Democracy under a particular legislative attack.

Biden talks with senators about voting rights

The path forward for voting rights legislation is a difficult one: Republicans are unlikely to support the effort and have labeled previous bills as a "federal takeover" of the elections system.

www.cbsnews.com

A day ago, Mr. Biden said that "there's nothing domestically more important than voting rights. It's the single biggest issue." Senators who participated in the call said it was an "encouraging conversation."

"We had a very good meeting with the president, the vice president on the voting bill with Senator Manchin and the group of us that work on voting rights," Klobuchar said on Capitol Hill Thursday. "And we're continuing to negotiate on the Senate rules to restore the Senate."



Civil rights organizations have increased pressure on Congress and the Biden administration to act. The NAACP says it expects to hold a meeting with the White House "in the coming days". It also met virtually this week with several Senators, including Sinema.

 

[Mycroft]

And I say ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act awaits the Senate to hopefully discuss and vote. This is the most important issue to pound through Congress as quick as possible even with the known roadblocks positioned to kill it, but it's still a fight worth having. When all is said and done, it's all about fairness and for all to vote in a Democracy under a particular legislative attack.

Biden talks with senators about voting rights

The path forward for voting rights legislation is a difficult one: Republicans are unlikely to support the effort and have labeled previous bills as a "federal takeover" of the elections system.

www.cbsnews.com

A day ago, Mr. Biden said that "there's nothing domestically more important than voting rights. It's the single biggest issue." Senators who participated in the call said it was an "encouraging conversation."

"We had a very good meeting with the president, the vice president on the voting bill with Senator Manchin and the group of us that work on voting rights," Klobuchar said on Capitol Hill Thursday. "And we're continuing to negotiate on the Senate rules to restore the Senate."



Civil rights organizations have increased pressure on Congress and the Biden administration to act. The NAACP says it expects to hold a meeting with the White House "in the coming days". It also met virtually this week with several Senators, including Sinema.

If they can't get past the filibuster...and one particular Democratic Senator says that's a no-go...that federal takeover of state's rights is dead.

 

[ouch]

If they can't get past the filibuster...and one particular Democratic Senator says that's a no-go...that federal takeover of state's rights is dead.

I assume that the main point coming from Pres Biden's conversations with two of the Dem Senators is not killing the filibuster but to reform it back to a talking one - in which I support.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And I say ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act awaits the Senate to hopefully discuss and vote. This is the most important issue to pound through Congress as quick as possible even with the known roadblocks positioned to kill it, but it's still a fight worth having. When all is said and done, it's all about fairness and for all to vote in a Democracy under a particular legislative attack.

Biden talks with senators about voting rights

The path forward for voting rights legislation is a difficult one: Republicans are unlikely to support the effort and have labeled previous bills as a "federal takeover" of the elections system.

www.cbsnews.com

A day ago, Mr. Biden said that "there's nothing domestically more important than voting rights. It's the single biggest issue." Senators who participated in the call said it was an "encouraging conversation."

"We had a very good meeting with the president, the vice president on the voting bill with Senator Manchin and the group of us that work on voting rights," Klobuchar said on Capitol Hill Thursday. "And we're continuing to negotiate on the Senate rules to restore the Senate."



Civil rights organizations have increased pressure on Congress and the Biden administration to act. The NAACP says it expects to hold a meeting with the White House "in the coming days". It also met virtually this week with several Senators, including Sinema.

IF the ONLY things that Mr. Biden accomplishes are

[1] to change American elections into ones where the electoral districts are NOT gerrymandered while NOT taking into account any factor other than population,

and

[2] change the administration of American elections so that they are run in such a manner as to give the largest practicable percentage of the legitimate electorate the greatest practicable chance to actually vote

THEN he should be hailed as one of the greatest presidents that the United States of America ever had.

Unfortunately the movers and shakers who actually run the Republican and the Democratic parties don't want to see that happen - so it ain't gonna.​

 

[Mycroft]

I assume that the main point coming from Pres Biden's conversations with two of the Dem Senators is not killing the filibuster but to reform it back to a talking one - in which I support.

That is misdirection. The goal is to either eliminate the filibuster for this particular bill or to eliminate it entirely.

 

[Hughinn]

Can anyone here honestly say that American citizens registered to vote can't?

No!

Everyone who wishes to vote legally is not hindered.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It's just an attempt to push the mail in ballots and federalize elections.

 

[Excast]

Can anyone here honestly say that American citizens registered to vote can't?

No!

Everyone who wishes to vote legally is not hindered.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It's just an attempt to push the mail in ballots and federalize elections.

Of course they are.

Hindered - create difficulties for (someone or something), resulting in delay or obstruction.

Anyone who has been alive and paying attention saw the exceedingly long lines to go vote in past elections. Oftentimes they were hours long. And of course it's just a coincidence that they are often in cities when voters tend to support Democrats. That is why things like mail in voting are so important.

 

[Hughinn]

Of course they are.

Hindered - create difficulties for (someone or something), resulting in delay or obstruction.

Anyone who has been alive and paying attention saw the exceedingly long lines to go vote in past elections. Oftentimes they were hours long. And of course it's just a coincidence that they are often in cities when voters tend to support Democrats. That is why things like mail in voting are so important.

So now having to stand in line is 'voter suppression" and the solution is "mail in ballots".

Wow. You ate a handful of the blue pills didn't you?

 

[Excast]

So now having to stand in line is 'voter suppression" and the solution is "mail in ballots".

Wow. You ate a handful of the blue pills didn't you?

Yes, having to spend hours sitting in a line in order to vote is suppression. But as voter suppression is a main tool of the right, I'm not surprised you don't acknowledge it for what it is.

 

[Hughinn]

Yes, having to spend hours sitting in a line in order to vote is suppression. But as voter suppression is a main tool of the right, I'm not surprised you don't acknowledge it for what it is.

I guess then, standing in line at grocery stores is "shopper suppression"

Or lines at a cafeteria is "lunch suppression"

Maybe we just make standing in line altogether illegal?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Can anyone here honestly say that American citizens registered to vote can't?

No!

Quite right. Everyone CAN vote - provided that they are willing to stand in line for up to eight hours because the ruling party in their state has decided that their electoral district (which doesn't tend to vote for that ruling party) only needs one polling place while the neighbouring electoral district (which does tend to vote for the ruling party) has sufficient poling locations so that no one need wait more than 30 minutes to cast their vote.

And, of course, when the polling clerk that was appointed by the ruling party checks the voter's name and political party affiliation and decides to take exception to the ID offered by the voter to prove who they are on the grounds that "It looks like a fake drivers' licence to me." AND then sequesters that ID for use as evidence, that doesn't hinder the person from voting in the least - right?

Everyone who wishes to vote legally is not hindered.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It's just an attempt to push the mail in ballots and federalize elections.

I'm not sure what your objection is.

Is it to

[1] a uniform national set of electoral rules and procedures implemented by a set of personnel who are NOT acting at the dictates of any particular party and whose job it is is to ensure that the maximum number of legally eligible voters get the maximum opportunity to vote in a free, fair, open, and honest election REGARDLESS of what the outcome of that election is;​

​

[2] a uniform national set of electoral rules and procedures implemented by a set of personnel who are NOT acting at the dictates of YOUR particular party and whose job it is is to ensure that the maximum number of legally eligible voters who support do NOT support YOUR particular party get the maximum opportunity to vote in an election which is structured to ensure that YOUR particular party will never achieve a legislative majority regardless of the political demographics of the electorate;​

​

or​

​

[3] both?​

Could you please clarify and give SPECIFIC reasons for your objection?

You do know that some countries have "federalized elections" which meet the criteria set out in Point [1] - don't you?

 

[Court Jester]

LOL-- Biden and the Dems end up utterly shut down in defeat with the so called "build back better SCAM" and are now trying to get anything on the scoreboard before the end of the year to hopefully bolster Biden's spiraling approval ratings with American voters.

I haven't seen a president with these kinds of low numbers since Carter and Nixon. Speaking in terms of popularity, Biden makes Carter look like FDR, and Harris makes Hillary look like Jackie O.

Waiting to see what kind of comedy comes out of this Biden 'clowncar' already heading off a cliff.

 

[OrphanSlug]

You really have to wonder about "conservatives" arguing for a state to have the right to suppress votes.

 

[Hughinn]

Quite right. Everyone CAN vote - provided that they are willing to stand in line for up to eight hours because the ruling party in their state has decided that their electoral district (which doesn't tend to vote for that ruling party) only needs one polling place while the neighbouring electoral district (which does tend to vote for the ruling party) has sufficient poling locations so that no one need wait more than 30 minutes to cast their vote.

And, of course, when the polling clerk that was appointed by the ruling party checks the voter's name and political party affiliation and decides to take exception to the ID offered by the voter to prove who they are on the grounds that "It looks like a fake drivers' licence to me." AND then sequesters that ID for use as evidence, that doesn't hinder the person from voting in the least - right?

I'm not sure what your objection is.

Is it to

[1] a uniform national set of electoral rules and procedures implemented by a set of personnel who are NOT acting at the dictates of any particular party and whose job it is is to ensure that the maximum number of legally eligible voters get the maximum opportunity to vote in a free, fair, open, and honest election REGARDLESS of what the outcome of that election is;​

​

[2] a uniform national set of electoral rules and procedures implemented by a set of personnel who are NOT acting at the dictates of YOUR particular party and whose job it is is to ensure that the maximum number of legally eligible voters who support do NOT support YOUR particular party get the maximum opportunity to vote in an election which is structured to ensure that YOUR particular party will never achieve a legislative majority regardless of the political demographics of the electorate;​

​

or​

​

[3] both?​

Could you please clarify and give SPECIFIC reasons for your objection?

You do know that some countries have "federalized elections" which meet the criteria set out in Point [1] - don't you?

Sounds like local issues to me.
If they have to stand in line in democrat party controlled districts, why is that a national problem?

Democrat party has been in charge in those areas for years. Why don't they open more polling places? There's literally nothing stopping them from organizing it better.

We don't need mail in ballots to fix it.

 

[Hughinn]

You really have to wonder about "conservatives" arguing for a state to have the right to suppress votes.

Because that's not happening

 

[j brown's body]

Its amazing that no one expects Republican senators to do anything but draw a paycheck. They vote against infrastructure, they vote against voting, they vote against teeth for the elderly, child care for struggling parents in a market failed daycare industry. They're worried about Dr. Seuss.

What a stupid time to be alive.

 

[Acadia]

LOL-- Biden and the Dems end up utterly shut down in defeat with the so called "build back better SCAM" and are now trying to get anything on the scoreboard before the end of the year to hopefully bolster Biden's spiraling approval ratings with American voters.

I haven't seen a president with these kinds of low numbers since Carter and Nixon. Speaking in terms of popularity, Biden makes Carter look like FDR, and Harris makes Hillary look like Jackie O.

Waiting to see what kind of comedy comes out of this Biden 'clowncar' already heading off a cliff.

Absolutely. BBB was in part, meant as an end run around legal votes. Now, they're scrambling to push another scheme to get votes.

 

[Acadia]

Sounds like local issues to me.
If they have to stand in line in democrat party controlled districts, why is that a national problem?

Democrat party has been in charge in those areas for years. Why don't they open more polling places? There's literally nothing stopping them from organizing it better.

We don't need mail in ballots to fix it.

Democrats invent "voter suppression" to change voting laws. They want various ways to swing elections their way, be it mail in voting, or allowing illegals to vote.
They besmirch American citizenship and our sacred vote.

 

[Court Jester]

You really have to wonder about "conservatives" arguing for a state to have the right to suppress votes.

No votes are being suppressed.

I find it ironic that the left feels they can demand a covid proof of vaccination which everyone must have in order to shop, eat, or attend events--- and that is somehow doable. But asking people to show ID as proof of citizenship or eligibility to vote is some kind of "suppression". If some loser can apply for and show an EBT card to use at McDonald's for a taxpayer discounted meal, they ought to be able to show an ID when voting in order to keep the legitimacy of elections intact.

 

[OrphanSlug]

No votes are being suppressed.

I find it ironic that the left feels they can demand a covid proof of vaccination which everyone must have in order to shop, eat, or attend events--- and that is somehow doable. But asking people to show ID as proof of citizenship or eligibility to vote is some kind of "suppression". If some loser can apply for and show an EBT card to use at McDonald's for a taxpayer discounted meal, they ought to be able to show an ID when voting in order to keep the legitimacy of elections intact.

Not to upset your rant, but GA already had ID laws on the books before Trump decided there was "election fraud in GA.'

 

[Helix]

If the Democrats don't stop Republican voter suppression while they have the chance, they're not going to have another chance for a good long while.

 

[Court Jester]

Democrats invent "voter suppression" to change voting laws. They want various ways to swing elections their way, be it mail in voting, or allowing illegals to vote.
They besmirch American citizenship and our sacred vote.

Yep! And besides illegals, they want felons to be able to vote, 16 year olds (kids they have easily indoctrinated), and also the ability to "harvest votes" by systematically coercing votes from elderly people in nursing homes when clearly these ballots are being filled in by folks and groups other than the voter.

The democrat election strategies are just like a "smash and grab" robberies. Run in and overwhelm and then take off with the "loot". And in this case the loot is elections. What other reasonable explanation could be given for the push to allow illegals to vote in dem run cities? They are STEALING the vote from every American when they do this. They cannot win on ideas---clearly that is a losing strategy, just look at the failure to push far left progressive programs even in their own party right now. So, they wish to water down the vote, add seats to the supreme court, give DC and Puerto Rico statehood (2 more senators each)--- but ANYTHING but win on ideas.

They can't win on ideas, not outside of SF, Chicago, and NYC.

 

[ouch]

IF the ONLY things that Mr. Biden accomplishes are

​

[1] to change American elections into ones where the electoral districts are NOT gerrymandered while NOT taking into account any factor other than population,​

​

and​

​

[2] change the administration of American elections so that they are run in such a manner as to give the largest practicable percentage of the legitimate electorate the greatest practicable chance to actually vote​

​

THEN he should be hailed as one of the greatest presidents that the United States of America ever had.​

​

Unfortunately the movers and shakers who actually run the Republican and the Democratic parties don't want to see that happen - so it ain't gonna.​

Likewise, I tend to agree that it's not going to happen. While 7% of my feeble mind believes that a 'sell one's soul' offering by Joe and the Dems might convince Manchin / Sinema to play along with doing what's best for our Democracy. Long shots do happen, but at a very low rate.

 

[Court Jester]

If the Democrats don't stop Republican voter suppression while they have the chance, they're not going to have another chance for a good long while.

Because they know they are being voted OUT in 2022. Because they know they have FAILED on ideas, and on governing.

 

[Hughinn]

Its amazing that no one expects Republican senators to do anything but draw a paycheck. They vote against infrastructure, they vote against voting, they vote against teeth for the elderly, child care for struggling parents in a market failed daycare industry. They're worried about Dr. Seuss.

What a stupid time to be alive.

I don't want my government to give me free crap. And I don't want my representative wasting his time begging for free crap.

I want my government to protect my Liberty, stay out of my affairs and I want my representative to make sure they do that.