Biden says he is crafting a plan for "russia"-Ukraine crisis

[Litwin]

"What I am doing is putting together what I believe to be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he's going to do," Biden said, without going into detail....
As he departed for a weekend trip to Camp David later on Friday, Biden told reporters: "We’re aware of Moscow ’s actions for a long time and my expectation is we’re going to have a long discussion with Putin."


"I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands

Biden says he is crafting a plan for Russia-Ukraine crisis

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Friday he is developing comprehensive initiatives to make it difficult for Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine and that he would not accept Moscow's "red lines," as fears mounted that the simmering conflict could erupt into war.

www.reuters.com

related :

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022."

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022." WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden pledged Friday to make it “very, very difficult” for Russia’s Vladimir Putin to take military action in Ukraine as U.S...

debatepolitics.com

""I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands" great move, good signal to Moscow despot .

"Biden said, without going into detail..." guys, any idea what includes Biden´s plan to stop Moscow barbaric imperialism ?

 

[jotathought]

Is it called operation "Afghanistan v. 2.0?" or "Illegal immigration plan?"

Biden? create a plan? That's gone swimmingly well his first 10 - 11 months in office. Is he planning to bring in Hunter, who was on the board of Ukrainian energy company and probably established some relationships?

 

[Litwin]

Is it called operation "Afghanistan v. 2.0?" or "Illegal immigration plan?"

Biden? create a plan? That's gone swimmingly well his first 10 - 11 months in office. Is he planning to bring in Hunter, who was on the board of Ukrainian energy company and probably established some relationships?

sweet Jesus, Hunter has noting to do with Moscow -Ukraine crisis , get over the lost election ....

 

[jotathought]

sweet Jesus, Hunter has noting to do with Moscow -Ukraine crisis , get over the lost election ....

Obviously the sarcasm went right over your head ...

 

[tshade]

"What I am doing is putting together what I believe to be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he's going to do," Biden said, without going into detail....
As he departed for a weekend trip to Camp David later on Friday, Biden told reporters: "We’re aware of Moscow ’s actions for a long time and my expectation is we’re going to have a long discussion with Putin."


"I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands

Biden says he is crafting a plan for Russia-Ukraine crisis

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Friday he is developing comprehensive initiatives to make it difficult for Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine and that he would not accept Moscow's "red lines," as fears mounted that the simmering conflict could erupt into war.

www.reuters.com

related :

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022."

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022." WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden pledged Friday to make it “very, very difficult” for Russia’s Vladimir Putin to take military action in Ukraine as U.S...

debatepolitics.com

""I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands" great move, good signal to Moscow despot .

"Biden said, without going into detail..." guys, any idea what includes Biden´s plan to stop Moscow barbaric imperialism ?

Good to finally see a president who actually treats russia like the enemy they are. The Russians will do all they can to make sure a Dem loses in 2022 & 2024---so far their propaganda is being believed by most trumpers. Putin wants trump, or one of his cult members in office again.....

 

[dcsports]

"What I am doing is putting together what I believe to be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he's going to do," Biden said, without going into detail....
As he departed for a weekend trip to Camp David later on Friday, Biden told reporters: "We’re aware of Moscow ’s actions for a long time and my expectation is we’re going to have a long discussion with Putin."


"I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands

Biden says he is crafting a plan for Russia-Ukraine crisis

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Friday he is developing comprehensive initiatives to make it difficult for Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine and that he would not accept Moscow's "red lines," as fears mounted that the simmering conflict could erupt into war.

www.reuters.com

related :

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022."

US intelligence finds Moscow planning Ukraine offensive. "possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022." WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden pledged Friday to make it “very, very difficult” for Russia’s Vladimir Putin to take military action in Ukraine as U.S...

debatepolitics.com

""I don’t accept anybody’s red lines," he said of Moscow ’s demands" great move, good signal to Moscow despot .

"Biden said, without going into detail..." guys, any idea what includes Biden´s plan to stop Moscow barbaric imperialism ?

A master plan from the people who brought the US Mexico border crisis, the botched evacuation of Afghanistan, and the French diplomacy plan. What could go wrong?

 

[Litwin]

A master plan from the people who brought the US Mexico border crisis, the botched evacuation of Afghanistan, and the French diplomacy plan. What could go wrong?

"evacuation of Afghanistan," we left Afghanistan and now its a Moscow problem, whats wrong with it? Afghanistan has 0 strategical value for us...

 

[Litwin]

Good to finally see a president who actually treats russia like the enemy they are. ...

agreed, we are in one step from bringing back our winning R. Reagan concept !

How Ronald Reagan won the Cold War

Whatever its early success, the policy of containment clearly no longer worked. Reagan determined that the time had come for a new strategy: “We win and they lose.”

thehill.com

Down with Moscow barbarians , Long Live the Liberal Order !

 

[TomFitz]

Good to finally see a president who actually treats russia like the enemy they are. The Russians will do all they can to make sure a Dem loses in 2022 & 2024---so far their propaganda is being believed by most trumpers. Putin wants trump, or one of his cult members in office again.....

The propoganda has always appealed to the trump/ far right wing crowd.

The Russians have been inserting their message into right wing media for almost a decade now.

And it is being parroted by right wingers on this board on a more or less regular basis.

Right winger tend to take the message for granted, because it appeals to and mirrors the same divisive message American right wing media feeds on. They just amplify the regular right wing themes of ethnic resentment, jingoism, and bigotry. All of which exist in Russian society too.

The Russians had a natural advantage with this audience, as it is never curious about who is feeding them any message, as long as it is what they want to hear. They also have very short attention spans and sort memories. Ideal for a propgandist.

How the US responds to the Russian posture depends a lot of whether they can get strong backing from NATO, after four years of Trump denigrating the organization and attacking its members.

They know that Russia is an enemy. It has been for hundreds of years, and the geography hasn’t changed.

What they worry about is whether the US will be a reliable ally.

When Biden responds strongly to Russian aggression in Ukraine, I have little doubt that right wing social media and its safe spaces like Parker and Telegram will be flooded with a right wing themes intended to turn the audience to opposed standing up to Russian aggression. And it will be embraced and parroted by parts of the late trump nation.

 

[Fledermaus]

"evacuation of Afghanistan," we left Afghanistan and now its a Moscow problem, whats wrong with it? Afghanistan has 0 strategical value for us...

How is Afghanistan a RUSSIAN problem?

Use words Litwin.

agreed, we are in one step from bringing back our winning R. Reagan concept !

Down with Moscow barbarians , Long Live the Liberal Order !

The Liberal Order that cheers Nazis and loves their despots.....

 

[TomFitz]

A master plan from the people who brought the US Mexico border crisis, the botched evacuation of Afghanistan, and the French diplomacy plan. What could go wrong?

Pathetic, parochial, partisan and off topic.

The Russians are massing an army on the Ukrainian border, and you and your ilk are sour grasping about Hunter and “French diplomacy”.

The Russians are going to test the Western Alliance.

They have spent a decade softening up right wing Americna public opinion with appeals to nativism, ignorance, and bigotry.

And they finally backed a US Presidential candidate who made those themes the focus of his campaign.

The went from having a guy they practically owned, to having to deal with a seasoned, practiced world leader who owes them nothing, and who recognizes where his duty lies.

One thing Moscow can be sure of. They won’t be dealing with a fool who says things like this:

Trump Called Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine "So Smart" In 2014

"You look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, okay, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’"

www.buzzfeednews.com

 

[Juin]

Pathetic, parochial, partisan and off topic.

The Russians are massing an army on the Ukrainian border, and you and your ilk are sour grasping about Hunter and “French diplomacy”.

Good for Russia. If only Biden could mass troops on the Mexican border.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Good to finally see a president who actually treats russia like the enemy they are. The Russians will do all they can to make sure a Dem loses in 2022 & 2024---so far their propaganda is being believed by most trumpers. Putin wants trump, or one of his cult members in office again.....

Biden has been begging Russia to produce more oil so we can put dollars into their coffers as he does everything he can to shut down US oil. How is that “treating Russia like an enemy “?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

The propoganda has always appealed to the trump/ far right wing crowd.

The Russians have been inserting their message into right wing media for almost a decade now.

And it is being parroted by right wingers on this board on a more or less regular basis.

Right winger tend to take the message for granted, because it appeals to and mirrors the same divisive message American right wing media feeds on. They just amplify the regular right wing themes of ethnic resentment, jingoism, and bigotry. All of which exist in Russian society too.

The Russians had a natural advantage with this audience, as it is never curious about who is feeding them any message, as long as it is what they want to hear. They also have very short attention spans and sort memories. Ideal for a propgandist.

How the US responds to the Russian posture depends a lot of whether they can get strong backing from NATO, after four years of Trump denigrating the organization and attacking its members.

They know that Russia is an enemy. It has been for hundreds of years, and the geography hasn’t changed.

What they worry about is whether the US will be a reliable ally.

When Biden responds strongly to Russian aggression in Ukraine, I have little doubt that right wing social media and its safe spaces like Parker and Telegram will be flooded with a right wing themes intended to turn the audience to opposed standing up to Russian aggression. And it will be embraced and parroted by parts of the late trump nation.

Russia sees a weak US president that botched the Afghanistan pullout and have been emboldened to invade Ukraine. Biden brought this on with his fumbling bumbling Afghanistan debacle. Russia-Putin think he’s a joke.

 

[Juin]

Biden has been begging Russia to produce more oil so we can put dollars into their coffers as he does everything he can to shut down US oil. How is that “treating Russia like an enemy “?

With enemies like Biden Russia doesn't need anymore US friends. Enemy Biden has been more generous to Putin's coffers than the oft claimed Putin friend Trump.

You know the long term Kremlin foreign policy strategy? Give us Biden, then another Obama clone, or Mama Kamala, followed by young Hunter. We can do good business with them.

 

[Litwin]

How is Afghanistan a RUSSIAN problem?

...

i feel sorry to you , pro- moscow crew but the fact is that A-stan is your fav horde neighbor not ours )

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“Central Asian states though will be nervous that Moscow might use the threat of Islamist insurgency to push its Eurasian Union idea and centralising agenda that Putin is pursuing across the CIS space — look at Belarus,” Ash said, noting that this comes ahead of the 30th anniversary of the collapse of the USSR in December this year.

The Commonwealth of Independent States, or CIS, refers to a regional intergovernmental organization of nine former Soviet Republics in Eurasia.

Russia is expected to ratchet up the pressure on countries in Central Asia"

Russia faces major risks on Afghanistan despite Kremlin claiming propaganda victory over U.S.

The unfolding crisis in Afghanistan poses substantial risks to Russia and Central Asia, even as the Kremlin seeks to claim a propaganda victory over the U.S.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Litwin]

...



The Liberal Order that cheers Nazis ...

TV.ru lie , The Liberal Order that hate German National - socialism (gone 80 years ago) , Marxism (still around ) , etc.

 

[multivita-man]

Good to finally see a president who actually treats russia like the enemy they are. The Russians will do all they can to make sure a Dem loses in 2022 & 2024---so far their propaganda is being believed by most trumpers. Putin wants trump, or one of his cult members in office again.....

I think this is to put pressure on the US and Ukraine, to ensure that Ukraine never gets NATO protection. That way, they can continue to meddle in Ukraine's internal politics and redirect them away from the EU and back more firmly into Russia's political orbit.

I'm on the fence is to whether Russia actually wants a full-on confrontation. It's not necessarily in Vladimir Putin's political interests to get Russia tied up in a messy conflict, particularly if the US makes good on a commitment to support Ukraine and punish Russia with a combination of economic, military, and political force. Obviously, we won't put boots on the ground to save Ukraine's ass but we could give them weapons. We'd also try to politically isolate Russia even further, and the Western European nations would almost certainly support us if we did. Russia would have some hard power leverage through the Winter with its energy resources, but the tables would probably turn as we get into spring and summer.

If suspect that if Russia can get the West to back away from a hard commitment to protecting Ukraine, then we'd probably see Russia ease off a bit. That puts Biden in a difficult spot, particularly after the fallout from his perceived failures in handling the Afghanistan withdrawal. He's on dangerously shaky ground with some of the national security contingent which voted for him b/c they thought Trump was a clear and present danger to the U.S. future standing but are alarmed at Biden's reactions to global crises so far. Afghanistan caused him to lose some of that contingent and if he is perceived as weak in the face of Russian aggression, he's going to have a hard time living it down.

It's unfortunate b/c this is a classic example of how a nation can become addicted to political orthodoxy that eventually becomes counterproductive. What we need with regard to Russia and Ukraine is flexibility and pragmatism. Ukraine is not our fight; they're not a NATO country. That doesn't mean we should feed them to Russian wolves, but we need to be realistic about our goals. They had an opportunity to join NATO earlier, and did not. We cannot be a global security force.

 

[PoS]

What the POTUS really means is that its Kamala and Nancy who is crafting this plan...

 

[TomFitz]

Good for Russia. If only Biden could mass troops on the Mexican border.

Thank you for making my point.

 

[Fledermaus]

i feel sorry to you , pro- moscow crew but the fact is that A-stan is your fav horde neighbor not ours )

"
“Central Asian states though will be nervous that Moscow might use the threat of Islamist insurgency to push its Eurasian Union idea and centralising agenda that Putin is pursuing across the CIS space — look at Belarus,” Ash said, noting that this comes ahead of the 30th anniversary of the collapse of the USSR in December this year.

The Commonwealth of Independent States, or CIS, refers to a regional intergovernmental organization of nine former Soviet Republics in Eurasia.

Russia is expected to ratchet up the pressure on countries in Central Asia"

Russia faces major risks on Afghanistan despite Kremlin claiming propaganda victory over U.S.

The unfolding crisis in Afghanistan poses substantial risks to Russia and Central Asia, even as the Kremlin seeks to claim a propaganda victory over the U.S.

www.cnbc.com

My original post:

How is Afghanistan a RUSSIAN problem?

Use words Litwin.

The Liberal Order that cheers Nazis and loves their despots.....

So, the article states as long as Afghanistan doesn't become a base for attacks on Russia/Central Asia there is no problem....

Afghanistan is Afghanistan's problem.

TV.ru lie , The Liberal Order that hate German National - socialism (gone 80 years ago) , Marxism (still around ) , etc.

Then you can't be part of the "Liberal Order" as you cheer NAZIS and despots.

 

[dcsports]

"evacuation of Afghanistan," we left Afghanistan and now its a Moscow problem, whats wrong with it? Afghanistan has 0 strategical value for us...

This administration got out, but the evacuation was botched horribly. Biden didn't make the decision to leave - that was actually Trump. All Biden had to do was shoo the last few guests out of the room and close the door.

 

[Juin]

I think this is to put pressure on the US and Ukraine, to ensure that Ukraine never gets NATO protection. That way, they can continue to meddle in Ukraine's internal politics and redirect them away from the EU and back more firmly into Russia's political orbit.

I'm on the fence is to whether Russia actually wants a full-on confrontation. It's not necessarily in Vladimir Putin's political interests to get Russia tied up in a messy conflict, particularly if the US makes good on a commitment to support Ukraine and punish Russia with a combination of economic, military, and political force. Obviously, we won't put boots on the ground to save Ukraine's ass but we could give them weapons. We'd also try to politically isolate Russia even further, and the Western European nations would almost certainly support us if we did. Russia would have some hard power leverage through the Winter with its energy resources, but the tables would probably turn as we get into spring and summer.

If suspect that if Russia can get the West to back away from a hard commitment to protecting Ukraine, then we'd probably see Russia ease off a bit. That puts Biden in a difficult spot, particularly after the fallout from his perceived failures in handling the Afghanistan withdrawal. He's on dangerously shaky ground with some of the national security contingent which voted for him b/c they thought Trump was a clear and present danger to the U.S. future standing but are alarmed at Biden's reactions to global crises so far. Afghanistan caused him to lose some of that contingent and if he is perceived as weak in the face of Russian aggression, he's going to have a hard time living it down.

It's unfortunate b/c this is a classic example of how a nation can become addicted to political orthodoxy that eventually becomes counterproductive. What we need with regard to Russia and Ukraine is flexibility and pragmatism. Ukraine is not our fight; they're not a NATO country. That doesn't mean we should feed them to Russian wolves, but we need to be realistic about our goals. They had an opportunity to join NATO earlier, and did not. We cannot be a global security force.

That is a sober and accurate analysis.

 

[Litwin]

My original post:



So, the article states as long as Afghanistan doesn't become a base for attacks on Russia/Central Asia there is no problem....

Afghanistan is Afghanistan's problem.



Then you can't be part of the "Liberal Order" ...

1) it will
2) personal attack , from a Moscow lover . so typical TV.ru narrative, was debunked 100 times already !

3) death to Moscow ORIENTAL BARBARISM ! LONG LIVE OUR LIBERAL ORDER !

Debunking Russia's Narrative of Rampant Anti-Semitism in ...​

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org › blogs › ukrainealert





4 Aug 2015 — Ukraine's leaders have laid themselves open to criticism over the role of the Azov volunteer battalion, with its neo-Nazi leaders and probably ...

"russians"Rewrite History to Slur Ukraine Over War - Time ...​

https://time.com › World › russia





29 Oct 2014 — By drawing a direct line from Hitler to the new government in Kiev, Vladimir Putin has turned the idea of fascism into a political tool.

 

[dcsports]

Pathetic, parochial, partisan and off topic.

Thank you for labeling your post.