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Biden officials raised concerns with how he issued pardons, used autopen

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High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.
 
Don't want us thinking about why Trump's people had to scrub his name from the Epstein files and Johnson is out frantically (and hysterically) insisting that Trump was actually a government informant and that's why his name was all over the place, @NOLA Dude?

This "autopen" crap has to be one of the dumbest distractors yet.
 
High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.

I'm just glad Trump never used an autopen and never will.

Trump, in his immaculate wisdom, knows better.

MAGA.
 
Don't want us thinking about why Trump's people had to scrub his name from the Epstein files and Johnson is out frantically (and hysterically) insisting that Trump was actually a government informant and that's why his name was all over the place, @NOLA Dude?

This "autopen" crap has to be one of the dumbest distractors yet.
There are about 100 other threads about Epstein. Your weak deflection attempt is noted.
 
Nobody gives a flying **** about autopens.
They are legal and have been for centuries.
 
High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.

It's clear to everyone after the debate with Trump, the only things Joe Biden was concerned with was to get the poo poo out of his pants and ice cream for lunch. Everyone in the administration sent the orders downhill like a turd......from Jeff Zients to Rosa Po and who knows how many ran away not wanting to be involved.

They are null and void, without merit, especially the pardons of those who have not at the time been even charged with a crime.....preemptive pardons is ridiculous, but it does show the guilt.
 
It's clear to everyone after the debate with Trump, the only things Joe Biden was concerned with was to get the poo poo out of his pants and ice cream for lunch. Everyone in the administration sent the orders downhill like a turd......from Jeff Zients to Rosa Po and who knows how many ran away not wanting to be involved.

They are null and void, without merit, especially the pardons of those who have not at the time been even charged with a crime.....preemptive pardons is ridiculous, but it does show the guilt.
Who can argue with the soaring rhetoric?
 
This "autopen" crap has to be one of the dumbest distractors yet.

Lol....how silly. You don't want there to be oversight about whether or not a POTUS that you like is actually signing off on the things they are purported to have signed off on, especially when the POTUS in question was practically invisible for four years and forgot how to speak?
 
High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.
Autopen signatures are legal. Presidential pardons are not reviewable. End of discussion.
 
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Autopen signatures are legal. Presidential are not reviewable. End of discussion.

Yeah, confirming that presidential actions actually happened as the presidential administrative officials claim is really stupid.

I agree with you that American citizens don't have any right to know for sure, with verifiable evidence, that their president is actually the one signing pardons, legislation, etc. After all, we're merely nobodies in a world of overlords who can do whatever they want without any oversight whatsoever.
 
You try to make it seem like the autopen is something new to be used by US presidents, it is not.

The Autopen: How the Robotic Pen Has Changed Presidential History​

The autopen was patented in the US in 1803, and Jefferson wasted no time acquiring and using the machine......

 
High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.
Cool, now can you give us some of your Birther material?
 
It's clear to everyone after the debate with Trump, the only things Joe Biden was concerned with was to get the poo poo out of his pants and ice cream for lunch. Everyone in the administration sent the orders downhill like a turd......from Jeff Zients to Rosa Po and who knows how many ran away not wanting to be involved.

They are null and void, without merit, especially the pardons of those who have not at the time been even charged with a crime.....preemptive pardons is ridiculous, but it does show the guilt.
Oh cool, thanks to the Redbeer Axiom anybody can now declare every action of Trump as null and void, without merit! Thanks redbeer!

All - since the only thing Trump is concerned with is having @redbeer get the poo poo out of Donalds pants then fetch him a Big Mac for lunch, I hereby declare Trump’s 200 executive orders and countless 1/6er pardons to be void.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
 
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Yeah, confirming that presidential actions actually happened as the presidential administrative officials claim is really stupid.

I agree with you that American citizens don't have any right to know for sure, with verifiable evidence, that their president is actually the one signing pardons, legislation, etc. After all, we're merely nobodies in a world of overlords who can do whatever they want without any oversight whatsoever.
And when there's actual evidence we can discuss it. Even if all true there's nothing in the OP that suggests Biden didn't sign the pardons.
 
High-ranking Biden administration officials repeatedly questioned and criticized how the president's team decided on controversial pardons and allowed the frequent use of an autopen to sign measures late in his term, internal emails obtained by Axios show.

How it happened: After the political backlash to President Biden pardoning his son Hunter last Dec. 1, the White House began pushing to find more people to grant clemency to, according to people familiar with the internal dynamics.
"There was a mad dash to find groups of people that he could then pardon — and then they largely didn't run it by the Justice Department to vet them," a person familiar with the process told Axios.
Biden granted clemency to more people than any president in U.S. history — 4,245 people. More than 95% of those actions occurred in the final 3½ months of his presidency, according to Pew Research.
Many of those actions, including pardoning other members of his family on his last day in office, were signed using an autopen — a computerized version of the president's signature that didn't require him to physically sign the document.

The intrigue: Biden's pardon of his family members went through a unique process.
Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
By 2025, Biden had opted for the autopen to pardon five members of his family — including his brother and sister, who had been accused of leveraging the Biden family name for financial benefit. The decision to do so was made in a meeting that included First Lady Jill Biden's top aide Anthony Bernal, according to internal emails.

An email from Biden's chief of staff, Jeff Zients, at 10:31pm the night of Jan. 19 — less than 14 hours before Biden was to leave office — confirmed the use of the presidential autopen for those pardons.
"I approve the use of the autopen for the execution of all the following pardons. Thanks, JZ," the email from Zients' account said.

The order came from Zients' email address, but he didn't personally send it.
Zients' aide Rosa Po, who had access to Zients' email account, wrote and sent the authorization of the president's autopen to senior White House officials on Zients' behalf.
"He spoke to Rosa at the time, and he authorized her to send that email, which she sometimes did, but only with his permission," according to a person close to Zients.
Zients, Po and Hertz didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment.

Interesting. I wonder if these pardons will hold up if challenged in court. Either way it seems suspicious.
They just hate Biden.


(Copied that from MAGA)
 
And when there's actual evidence we can discuss it. Even if all true there's nothing in the OP that suggests Biden didn't sign the pardons.
Wait, why would @Hello My Son be interested in evidence? The media told him that Biden's use of auto-pen is illegitimate then ordered him to go online and whine about it. He's just following his orders. He does not care what the objective reality is, since he's already been told what to believe and is more than happy with the narrative that he was given.
 
It's clear to everyone after the debate with Trump, the only things Joe Biden was concerned with was to get the poo poo out of his pants and ice cream for lunch. Everyone in the administration sent the orders downhill like a turd......from Jeff Zients to Rosa Po and who knows how many ran away not wanting to be involved.

They are null and void, without merit, especially the pardons of those who have not at the time been even charged with a crime.....preemptive pardons is ridiculous, but it does show the guilt.
😆
 
Autopen signatures are legal. Presidential pardons are not reviewable. End of discussion.
Not quite. For pardons it's not as cute and dry.

Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."
 
Not quite. For pardons it's not as cute and dry.

Near the beginning of his presidency in 2021, incoming staff secretary Jess Hertz wrote a memo to Biden, citing precedent from the Obama administration to argue his original signature should still be used for "pardon letters."

There was a poll where Americans replied that autopens were their greatest concern among all the problems we face, autopens are what everyone is talking about. Yep.
 
And when there's actual evidence we can discuss it. Even if all true there's nothing in the OP that suggests Biden didn't sign the pardons.

And exactly how is exculpatory or inculpatory evidence obtained in the first place?
 
Wait, why would @Hello My Son be interested in evidence? The media told him that Biden's use of auto-pen is illegitimate then ordered him to go online and whine about it. He's just following his orders. He does not care what the objective reality is, since he's already been told what to believe and is more than happy with the narrative that he was given.

Oh goodie, ad hominem fallacies from @phoenix2020! What a shocker!

And exactly how is exculpatory or inculpatory evidence obtained in the first place?

Oh, that's right....oversight and transparency.....

Why are you against oversight and transparency, phoenix2020? Care to share with everyone instead of posting bullshit lies in a desperate effort to impugn me?
 
Oh goodie, ad hominem fallacies from @phoenix2020! What a shocker!

And exactly how is exculpatory or inculpatory evidence obtained in the first place?

Oh, that's right....oversight and transparency.....

Why are you against oversight and transparency, phoenix2020? Care to share with everyone instead of posting bullshit lies in a desperate effort to impugn me?
Interesting that you're suddenly interested in transparency, after Donald ordered you to shut your mouth and stay in your lane with regard to the Epstein files and his use of auto-pen to pardon hundreds of 1/6ers with zero evidence that he was even aware.

Hmm, I wonder whether @Hello My Son will call for an investigation.

Oh wait, of course he won't!
 
There are about 100 other threads about Epstein. Your weak deflection attempt is noted.
Okay, let’s talk about this one: maga didn’t deliver on any of its promised Biden investigations. Will this one finally bear fruit?
 
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