Biden is Dems best bet to win in November

[Slavister]

The results are finally in, not the polls, but the actual voter based results: Biden is the one to vote for if you want the highest chance of defeat Trump.

Who cares if Bernie wins CA? It will be Blue anyway in November.
Who cares if Biden won Alabama? It will be Red anyway in November.

The only states that matter for November win are the swing states, and there Biden is winning handily so far.

I will admit that of the 4 most important swing states, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, none have voted yet. So there is a chance for Sanders to shine there yet.

For now however, from the second-tier swing states, Super Tuesday gave us results for a bunch:

Maine - Biden got 1% more people to vote for him
Minnesota - Biden got 9% more people to vote for him
North Carolina - Biden got 19% more people to vote for him
Colorado - Sanders got 13% more people to vote for him
Texas - Biden got 4% more people to vote for him
Virginia - Biden got 30% more people to vote for him

And this does NOT even include Sanders advantage of having millions of people vote BEFORE so many dropped out of the race.

So, even though I wavered for the long time after my preferred candidate dropped out, I see no choice but to vote for Biden. There are definitely things I don't particularly like about him but in the end, the only thing that matters is a win in November.

P.S. I voted for Bernie in 2016.

 

[Mycroft]

The results are finally in, not the polls, but the actual voter based results: Biden is the one to vote for if you want the highest chance of defeat Trump.

Who cares if Bernie wins CA? It will be Blue anyway in November.
Who cares if Biden won Alabama? It will be Red anyway in November.

The only states that matter for November win are the swing states, and there Biden is winning handily so far.

I will admit that of the 4 most important swing states, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, none have voted yet. So there is a chance for Sanders to shine there yet.

For now however, from the second-tier swing states, Super Tuesday gave us results for a bunch:

Maine - Biden got 1% more people to vote for him
Minnesota - Biden got 9% more people to vote for him
North Carolina - Biden got 19% more people to vote for him
Colorado - Sanders got 13% more people to vote for him
Texas - Biden got 4% more people to vote for him
Virginia - Biden got 30% more people to vote for him

And this does NOT even include Sanders advantage of having millions of people vote BEFORE so many dropped out of the race.

So, even though I wavered for the long time after my preferred candidate dropped out, I see no choice but to vote for Biden. There are definitely things I don't particularly like about him but in the end, the only thing that matters is a win in November.

P.S. I voted for Bernie in 2016.

A Democratic Party primary does not equal a general election.

Don't count your chickens.

 

[Slavister]

A Democratic Party primary does not equal a general election.

Don't count your chickens.

Absolutely nothing my post indicated what you are implying. Try reading OPs before rushing to reply.

In fact, I believe Trump will likely win in 2020. Which makes it even MORE important for Dems to pick someone who has the highest chance of beating him.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Because running the "centrist" or "moderate" candidate worked so well in 2004 and 2016.

I'll vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, but if he loses we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

[PTF]

You can have all the percentages you want. In the short run our President Trump will win...big.

 

[GDViking]

A Democratic Party primary does not equal a general election.

Don't count your chickens.

There is no path for a trump win,, and trump is so afraid of Biden that he broke the law and was Impeached for trying to sabotage him...

 

[TobyOne]

All that shows is that in those swing states, democrat voters preferred one democrat over another. Doesn't mean anything. In the general election, Biden will be the liberal from Delaware, not the "moderate".

 

[Slavister]

Because running the "centrist" or "moderate" candidate worked so well in 2004 and 2016.

I'll vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, but if he loses we have no one to blame but ourselves.

It does not change the fact the Biden is getting more votes out than Bernie in the swing states. So, what's the point in picking Bernie if he can't do what's needed here?

All that shows is that in those swing states, democrat voters preferred one democrat over another. Doesn't mean anything. In the general election, Biden will be the liberal from Delaware, not the "moderate".

It does not change the fact the Biden is getting more votes out than Bernie in the swing states. So, what's the point in picking Bernie if he can't do what's needed here?

You can have all the percentages you want. In the short run our President Trump will win...big.

Yeah, maybe... Even more of a reason to pick someone how has the highest chance of stopping Trump.

 

[Court Jester]

Because running the "centrist" or "moderate" candidate worked so well in 2004 and 2016.

Hillary was not Bill, and her move to the left hurt her in the States Trump was able to steal. So many electoral votes that Trump would have still won even without Florida.. a HUGE feat.

Hillary DID NOT run as a centrist, but she should have. The left would have still voted for her, especially with a Trump candidate perceived to be "alt-right" by the left anyway. Hillary chose poorly is the bottom line.

2004

If you seriously believe Herman Munster head John Kerry was a centrist or moderate, then I don't think you understand the definition. But maybe that is the problem in your party, you are too far on the left to see things the way most Americans see it. You need to try seeing it like Democrats in the fly over states see the world for a change and maybe they'll show up and vote for your candidates again.

 

[Mr Person]

Because running the "centrist" or "moderate" candidate worked so well in 2004 and 2016.

I'll vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, but if he loses we have no one to blame but ourselves.

If someone is too far left to win the primary, how are they going to win in the general? They can't even get their own party on board, but they're going to get independents around the middle that are needed to win?

I doubt it. I don't like Biden much, but I also don't think much of a "centrists won't win" argument.

 

[OscarLevant]

The results are finally in, not the polls, but the actual voter based results: Biden is the one to vote for if you want the highest chance of defeat Trump.

Who cares if Bernie wins CA? It will be Blue anyway in November.
Who cares if Biden won Alabama? It will be Red anyway in November.

The only states that matter for November win are the swing states, and there Biden is winning handily so far.

I will admit that of the 4 most important swing states, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, none have voted yet. So there is a chance for Sanders to shine there yet.

For now however, from the second-tier swing states, Super Tuesday gave us results for a bunch:

Maine - Biden got 1% more people to vote for him
Minnesota - Biden got 9% more people to vote for him
North Carolina - Biden got 19% more people to vote for him
Colorado - Sanders got 13% more people to vote for him
Texas - Biden got 4% more people to vote for him
Virginia - Biden got 30% more people to vote for him

And this does NOT even include Sanders advantage of having millions of people vote BEFORE so many dropped out of the race.

So, even though I wavered for the long time after my preferred candidate dropped out, I see no choice but to vote for Biden. There are definitely things I don't particularly like about him but in the end, the only thing that matters is a win in November.

P.S. I voted for Bernie in 2016.

Well one popular moderate didn't win against Trump. I'm not entirely convinced that another moderate who is pretty much in the same neoliberal camp as Clinton will beat Trump-- especially one who has a history of gaffs and stuttering that a clever guy like Trump can easily exacerbate. My gut feeling is Trump is going to make mincemeat out of Biden unless biting he is able to keep it together. If he falters like the first couple of weeks of debate Dems are in big trouble

 

[Slavister]

Well one popular moderate didn't win against Trump. I'm not entirely convinced that another moderate who is pretty much in the same neoliberal camp as Clinton will beat Trump-- especially one who has a history of gaffs and stuttering that a clever guy like Trump can easily exacerbate. My gut feeling is Trump is going to make mincemeat out of Biden unless biting he is able to keep it together. If he falters like the first couple of weeks of debate Dems are in big trouble

And yet after all these gaffs and stuttering he managed to get more votes than Bernie in the swing states - what does that tell us about Bernie's chances of winning these states in the general election?

 

[Moderate Right]

Because running the "centrist" or "moderate" candidate worked so well in 2004 and 2016.

I'll vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, but if he loses we have no one to blame but ourselves.

The left make a very huge mistake in thinking that the reason they lost in 2004 and 2016 is because the nominee was too moderate. Hell, Obama wasn't far left. In fact, many lefties attacked him for not being liberal enough. Hillary lost the 2016 election. It didn't have anything to do with her being a so called moderate. But, it is kind of funny how you say this and then yet claim that it was the Russians who elected Trump in 2016. If that were really true, the Russians would have elected Trump even if Bernie were the nominee, again proving that Hillary being moderate had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Moderate Right]

There is no path for a trump win,, and trump is so afraid of Biden that he broke the law and was Impeached for trying to sabotage him...

LOL. The professional oddsmakers have their money on Trump.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You can have all the percentages you want. In the short run our President Trump will win...big.

You said it. "Our president Trump" Because I don't view him as my president. He is a moronic criminal that will be defeated in November.

 

[Surrealistik]

The results are finally in, not the polls, but the actual voter based results: Biden is the one to vote for if you want the highest chance of defeat Trump.

Who cares if Bernie wins CA? It will be Blue anyway in November.
Who cares if Biden won Alabama? It will be Red anyway in November.

The only states that matter for November win are the swing states, and there Biden is winning handily so far.

I will admit that of the 4 most important swing states, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, none have voted yet. So there is a chance for Sanders to shine there yet.

For now however, from the second-tier swing states, Super Tuesday gave us results for a bunch:

Maine - Biden got 1% more people to vote for him
Minnesota - Biden got 9% more people to vote for him
North Carolina - Biden got 19% more people to vote for him
Colorado - Sanders got 13% more people to vote for him
Texas - Biden got 4% more people to vote for him
Virginia - Biden got 30% more people to vote for him

And this does NOT even include Sanders advantage of having millions of people vote BEFORE so many dropped out of the race.

So, even though I wavered for the long time after my preferred candidate dropped out, I see no choice but to vote for Biden. There are definitely things I don't particularly like about him but in the end, the only thing that matters is a win in November.

P.S. I voted for Bernie in 2016.

I mean you've been pretty anti-Bernie this entire electoral cycle so I'm not sure why you're pretending there's any kind of conflict.

Also you should keep in mind that Dem primaries aren't the general, and strength in swing states there isn't necessarily if at all strength in the actual election.

I think Biden would be an absolute disaster should he win the nomination per his obvious dementia, blase policy, and relative and recurring inability to talk coherently.

 

[Michael Cole]

LOL. The professional oddsmakers have their money on Trump.

Odds change. They're targeted to bettors, not voters. Not a good predictor of election results. Good money maker for casinos, though.

 

[Craig234]

The results are finally in, not the polls, but the actual voter based results: Biden is the one to vote for if you want the highest chance of defeat Trump.

The results are finally in: Stabbing yourself in the eye is the best way to improve your eyesight Hey, saying it clearly, bolded, in color, makes it more true.

 

[Craig234]

I mean you've been pretty anti-Bernie this entire electoral cycle so I'm not sure why you're pretending there's any kind of conflict.

Also you should keep in mind that Dem primaries aren't the general, and strength in swing states there isn't necessarily if at all strength in the actual election.

I think Biden would be an absolute disaster should he win the nomination per his obvious dementia, blase policy, and relative and recurring inability to talk coherently.

You're being way too soft on Biden. No mention of his long history of serving corrupt interests - his votes for the credit card industry will have the same effects as Hillary giving speeches to Goldman Sachs - his bad voting record, and his general lack of appeal outside the 'he touched Obama! We need him!' party loyalists, among other things. There's a reason for his long history of losing elections for decades.

 

[Craig234]

In fact, I believe Trump will likely win in 2020. Which makes it even MORE important for Dems to pick someone who has the highest chance of beating him.

Every Democrats says they want to beat trump. Many are wrong about who has the best chance. It's something no one actually knows; but it's easy to claim, and encourages ignoring everything else about the candidate except the baseless claim. Once people agree fall for 'Biden has the best chance', they lock themselves into blind support, quite possibly causing the opposite, like the same people did in 2016.

 

[Court Jester]

Biden has so much political baggage he will be a campaign ad production company's dream. His votes for endless wars, his record on how he talks to women, and he is old as dirt.

 

[Michael Cole]

I mean you've been pretty anti-Bernie this entire electoral cycle so I'm not sure why you're pretending there's any kind of conflict.

Also you should keep in mind that Dem primaries aren't the general, and strength in swing states there isn't necessarily if at all strength in the actual election.

I think Biden would be an absolute disaster should he win the nomination per his obvious dementia, blase policy, and relative and recurring inability to talk coherently.

I think Biden is a disaster for Trump, for just those reasons you mention. Nobody but Trumpists (the same ~40% of you that were here 4 years ago) believe Joe has dementia. He overcame a speech impediment as a child, and has been an honorable civil servant his entire life. Working class family. Trump overcame...what again? The reason 40% like Trump is the reason 60% don't. He's an orange anus. And I swear, anyone who supports anyone who wears orange powder has no room to call anyone else demented. Just sayin.

It will be the human vs the orange anus. And the human has a big ATM at his disposal. The biggest. The greatest ATM in the world. In the history of the universe. But the absolute worst ATM Trump could ever poop his panties over. An ATM with a grudge.

The funny thing is that de Blasio is really enjoying all this.

Trump's gonna get hammered. When he responds with Sleepy Creepy Crime Family Joe Biden, he'll be playing right into Democrats' hands.

 

[Casper]

A Democratic Party primary does not equal a general election.

Don't count your chickens.

You mean like the right has been doing? I would suggest no one counts any chickens just yet.

 

[Surrealistik]

I think Biden is a disaster for Trump, for just those reasons you mention. Nobody but Trumpists (the same ~40% of you that were here 4 years ago) believe Joe has dementia. He overcame a speech impediment as a child, and has been an honorable civil servant his entire life. Working class family. Trump overcame...what again? The reason 40% like Trump is the reason 60% don't. He's an orange anus. And I swear, anyone who supports anyone who wears orange powder has no room to call anyone else demented. Just sayin.

It will be the human vs the orange anus. And the human has a big ATM at his disposal. The biggest. The greatest ATM in the world. In the history of the universe. But the absolute worst ATM Trump could ever poop his panties over. An ATM with a grudge.

The funny thing is that de Blasio is really enjoying this whole thing.

Trump's gonna get hammered. When he responds with Sleepy Creepy Crime Family Joe Biden, he'll be playing right into Democrats' hands.

I abhor Trump, and support Sanders, and no, I can tell you for a fact that it isn't only Trump supporters who have doubts about the man's mental health and acuity.

It's painfully obvious that whatever's afflicting Biden is not a 'speech impediment'. The man consistently forgets things he shouldn't like Obama's name (once referring to him as 'President... my boss'), his closest day in, day out co-worker of 8 years and best friend for 12, or the opening to the Declaration of Independence, and despite being actively kept from the public by his campaign as much as humanly possible, keeps making utterly bizarre statements that have nothing to do with stuttering or speech impairment, and everything to do with either a failing memory or cognitive failure.

Combine that with his wealth of policy and personal skeletons and his probable inability to get Sanders' supporters onside (the last thing Biden is, is a unifier), and we'll have 2016 all over again for sure, barring something like the Coronavirus sinking the economy and stock market.

 

[GDViking]

LOL. The professional oddsmakers have their money on Trump.

Ever been to a horse track???

Trump won by 76,000 votes decided between three states, all of those states have had tons of farms gone under and manufacturing getting hammered due to his dumb ass trade wars, you k ow the ones that are great and easy to win???

And that was In a low turnout hear.

How will be make up those three states during a year of very motivated voters???