Bernie Sanders, rising in polls, lands on Time magazine cover

[Anomalism]

Awesome.

Bernie Sanders, rising in polls, lands on Time magazine cover

Bernie Sanders, the plain-speaking and occasionally dishevelled socialist senator from Vermont who has become the unlikely Democratic primary frontrunner in some key early states, will appear on the cover of this week's Time magazine.

 

[Absentglare]

Awesome.

Bernie Sanders, rising in polls, lands on Time magazine cover

Woo! Go Bernie !

 

[digsbe]

The fact that people like Bernie Sanders can be considered viable candidates is horrifying.

I hope Hillary wins the Dem nomination and is then jailed for crimes during the race to pretty much secure a Republican victory, America cannot handle 4 more years of a Democrat, especially not the most liberal and socialist one out there.

 

[cpwill]

The fact that people like Bernie Sanders can be considered viable candidates is horrifying.

Yup. Something like 10-12 years ago at Whistlestopper I pointed out that times of sustained high national stress didn't typically produce unity, it produced political divergence. Bernie is the future of the Democrat party.

 

[Slyfox696]

America cannot handle 4 more years of a Democrat

:lol:

I'm fairly certain we heard this alarmist nonsense 4 years ago...and the country is still here.

 

[Anomalism]

Bernie is the future of the Democrat party.

I hope you're right.

 

[cpwill]

I hope you're right.

Me too. Pushing hard left under Obama has absolutely devastated the Democrat party below the White House. Trying out a leader who wants to push it even further left is likely to produce more of the same.

And, additionally, having an actual ideological debate is good for the country.

 

[DaveFagan]

Awesome.

Bernie Sanders, rising in polls, lands on Time magazine cover

I'm a Green and I'm hoping Bernie seeks the Green Party endorsement.

 

[Slyfox696]

Me too. Pushing hard left under Obama has absolutely devastated the Democrat party below the White House. Trying out a leader who wants to push it even further left is likely to produce more of the same.

And, additionally, having an actual ideological debate is good for the country.

I always think it's funny how those one the right say Obama has been "hard left" while the biggest complaints of Obama by liberals have been that he leans too much to the right. It's almost like Obama has been fairly consistently towards the middle and only extremists on either side seem to think otherwise.

Obama leans left, no one disputes that. But he hasn't been hard left by any means.

 

[prometeus]

The fact that people like Bernie Sanders can be considered viable candidates is horrifying.

I hope Hillary wins the Dem nomination and is then jailed for crimes during the race to pretty much secure a Republican victory, America cannot handle 4 more years of a Democrat, especially not the most liberal and socialist one out there.

That is hilarious (pun intended) you hope for a republican win by jailing Hillary. Not a lot of confidence in the crop of candidates eh? It is a sad state of affairs when one is reduced to 'anything but'

 

[Politicshead]

Me too. Pushing hard left under Obama has absolutely devastated the Democrat party below the White House. Trying out a leader who wants to push it even further left is likely to produce more of the same.

And, additionally, having an actual ideological debate is good for the country.

Obama hard left?? :lamo:lamo

 

[Verax]

Good to see the introduction of a Democratic candidate that is truly liberal economically has been met with shock and awe. It's time for a change and we need to re-familiarize the country with liberal economics, Keynesian economics, economics that are centered around a robust middle class. Working class people in this country have done the trickle down economics thing for the past 40 years and it has buried them financially. The free market, globalization, has been great in some ways but its time to shift back to the left and strengthen the position of the average American worker. That is exactly what Bernie Sanders would work to do and I think it would have the greatest positive impact for the largest number of people in the U.S.

 

[Absentglare]

Me too. Pushing hard left under Obama has absolutely devastated the Democrat party below the White House. Trying out a leader who wants to push it even further left is likely to produce more of the same.

And, additionally, having an actual ideological debate is good for the country.

No, an unprecedented onslaught of dirty politics from the right fueled by the age of misinformation has devastated the democratic party.

 

[cpwill]

I always think it's funny how those one the right say Obama has been "hard left" while the biggest complaints of Obama by liberals have been that he leans too much to the right. It's almost like Obama has been fairly consistently towards the middle and only extremists on either side seem to think otherwise.

Obama leans left, no one disputes that. But he hasn't been hard left by any means.

I wouldn't say he has governed Hard Left, straight up socialism style. I would say (as I did), that he pushed in that direction, and achieved a lot of ground while failing to immanentize the left-wing eschaton.

If a conservative president were to have comparable victories moving the ball in a right-leaning direction, I would be partying that accomplishment, not angry that we hadn't cut the size of the federal government in half.

 

[cpwill]

No, an unprecedented onslaught of dirty politics from the right fueled by the age of misinformation has devastated the democratic party.

:lamo No. The ability to say things like "Senator So and So has Voted With President Obama 98% Of The Time" devastated the Democrat Party.

 

[betuadollar]

So you're saying we should by stock in Time magazine? And their net for 2015, does anybody know?

 

[Absentglare]

I wouldn't say he has governed Hard Left, straight up socialism style. I would say (as I did), that he pushed in that direction, and achieved a lot of ground while failing to immanentize the left-wing eschaton.

If a conservative president were to have comparable victories moving the ball in a right-leaning direction, I would be partying that accomplishment, not angry that we hadn't cut the size of the federal government in half.

What liberal victories are you talking about?

Not starting another war?

Obamacare?

 

[Absentglare]

:lamo No. The ability to say things like "Senator So and So has Voted With President Obama 98% Of The Time" devastated the Democrat Party.

Among who ?

The democrats had a target with Obamacare. Republicans haven't done anything in a decade so there's nothing to attack.

 

[cpwill]

What liberal victories are you talking about?

Healthcare, raising taxes, legalizing illegal aliens, raising taxes again, DADT repeal, pulling back from global leadership, Dodd-Frank, expanded regulatory power for the federal government, :shrug: etc. so on and so forth.

 

[cpwill]

Among who ?

Voters.

 

[Absentglare]

Voters.

Gerrymandering secured most of the recent republican congressional replacements.

That has nothing to do with voters, and everything to do with dirty politics.

If you had the voters, President Obama would have been a one-term president.

 

[cpwill]

Gerrymandering secured most of the recent republican congressional replacements.

Gerrymandering helped with some - but the swing districts and conservative Democrats got slaughtered for a simple reason - Obama helped to drag the party significantly to the left, and Republicans were able to capitalize on that by tying him to their opponent.

 

[Fenton]

I hope you're right.

Yup, I cant think of a better and faster way to completely ruin the Democrat brand than the party dropping all pretense and electing a avowed Socialist

 

[Absentglare]

Gerrymandering helped with some - but the swing districts and conservative Democrats got slaughtered for a simple reason - Obama helped to drag the party significantly to the left, and Republicans were able to capitalize on that by tying him to their opponent.

Partly, the democrats shot themselves in the foot by lacking the spine to admit they stand by President Obama. Oh, do i wish more democrats had spines.

Still, i don't think it's fair to characterize President Obama as some fringe left-wing president. His health care plan was essentially conservative. It is based on the Heritage foundation, on bipartisan negotiations. It was certainly not socialized medicine.

 

[Absentglare]

Yup, I cant think of a better and faster way to completely ruin the Democrat brand than the party dropping all pretense and electing a avowed Socialist

When you say socialist, and Sanders says socialist, you're referring to completely different things.