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By saying Sanders is no different.
Thread title: Bernie calls Trump a 'corporate socialist'
A self avowed Democratic Socialist calling Trump a corporate socialist is not a very smooth move Bernie. Point out the holes in Trump's policies which are many. Trying to paint him with the same brush you have painted yourself with won't get you very far.
Wow, Sanders nullified the attack that easily? Democrats have been running for 'socialism!' for no reason?
Except it’s not the same brush. Trump directs wealth towards corporations, Bernie directs wealth towards the people.
A socialist is a socialist. Put any adjective in front of that noun you want to and it does not amount to a dimes worth of dif. Bernie called Trump a socialist and that comes off as painting Trump with the same brush Bernie himself has avowed to.
Simply sounds gimmicky.
Socialism is socialism. Democratic Socialism is simply Socialism pinned onto a Democratic political process. I simply do not know what a corporate socialist is. That is an oxymoron though it might play with the Bernie crowd.
A socialist is a socialist. Put any adjective in front of that noun you want to and it does not amount to a dimes worth of dif. Bernie called Trump a socialist and that comes off as painting Trump with the same brush Bernie himself has avowed to.
Simply sounds gimmicky.
Socialism is socialism. Democratic Socialism is simply Socialism pinned onto a Democratic political process. I simply do not know what a corporate socialist is. That is an oxymoron though it might play with the Bernie crowd.
Corporate socialism is corporate agribusiness getting billions of taxpayer monies to help stay afloat while the trade war kills off the family farms..Yeah, that oxymoron.
Thread title: Bernie calls Trump a 'corporate socialist'
A self avowed Democratic Socialist calling Trump a corporate socialist is not a very smooth move Bernie. Point out the holes in Trump's policies which are many. Trying to paint him with the same brush you have painted yourself with won't get you very far.
Interestingly, I saw one of the News Channel talking heads a couple days ago claim that he purposefully canvased Bernie supporters for months and found that a number of them did not know that Bernie had self-avowed as a Democratic Socialist. Do we actually think that will be the case if Bernie is the nominee and the GOP starts pounding him with attack ads?
That is not any sort of socialism. You need to read up on what socialism is.
Bernie cannot possibly think that the dif between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat will not be exposed at some point in the political process. The Dems won't completely expose him. But should Bernie ever be the actual nominee the GOP will go after that difference with a vengeance.
Craig234;1071311957[B said:]It is fine and it is telling the truth[/B]. Some voters will be turned off by the phrase; more will be attracted to support Bernie. Bernie has always only gone up in support the more voters get to know him - the opposite of figures like Hillary and Biden.
Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor is a classical political-economic argument, stating that in the advanced capitalist societies state policies assure that more resources flow to the rich than to the poor, for example in the form of transfer payments. The term corporate welfare is widely used to describe the bestowal of favorable treatment to particular corporations by the government. One of the most commonly raised forms of criticism are statements that the capitalist political economy toward large corporations allows them to "privatize profits and socialize losses."...
U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders referenced the phrase during his eight-and-a-half-hour speech on the senate floor on December 10, 2010 against the continuation of Bush-era tax cuts, when speaking on the federal bailout of major financial institutions at a time when small-businesses were being denied loans.
It will be fine until the day the GOP makes it not fine and Bernie is not telling the truth. Corporate Socialist is nothing more than word salad which is not hard to figure out nor even hard to expose.
No, you do.
Oh, the horror - yet trump got elected as a P-grabbing, adulterous pathological lying narcissist who is crooked, sexually assaulting dozens of women, on and on, and is utterly incompetent with no meaningful political ideology or abilities and his only economic policies being 'whatever Republicans want for plutocracy and his wrong-headed tariffs'. Bernie actually supports policies with large majority support.
It's fine. If it's easy to figure out, all the better. If it's easy to expose it's happening, all the better. People support Bernie's policies, not trump's, which is why trump lies about his. Protector of pre-existing conditions... his head should have exploded for saying that, as he's literally fighting against Democrats in court to remove protections.
None of which has anything to do with Capitalism or attacking Capitalism which is part of the fabric of this country, like it or not. Socialism is a direct assault on Capitalism which is not the big bogeyman the Bernie Bros make it out to be. Corruptly abusing Capitalism is a pretty big bogeyman, not Capitalism itself. Greed is a pretty big bogeyman.
If anything labor and supporters of labor are as much at fault for defending the wrong aspects of labor or not defending it at all. That glaring weakness is as bad as the worst Corporatists you can think of. That horse has basically left the barn now though there is a road back.
You're posting gibberish. The word capitalism is useless in discussing American politics because it's vague.
I could repeat what's been said many times, but you say 'Bernie Bros' and I have a general that anyone who uses that phrase is not worth talking to.
Many people think socialism means government handing out "free stuff' and "equality".
That is NOT what socialism is. . . Not even close.
Gallup Poll found that only 17% of Americans could define socialism correctly.
The Meaning of "Socialism" to Americans Today
Let's make most of our discussion of economics in the US about tulips. Pro-tulip, anti-tulip, it's all about tulips.
Sound crazy? And yet that's exactly the case about "socialism", which has nothing to do with American economics, as far as what 'socialism' actually is. Less than one percent of the country wants to have the government own all means of production, and so the people who rant about 'socialism' are ignorant, dishonest, or both.
As I've long said, we lack the vocabulary to actually discuss economic systems/issues in the US. Everyone is for some balance of government programs and private systems, but that can't discuss that realistically, all they can do is yell 'socialist' at one side and they don't even have a good word for the other so they use words like 'greed'.
It's gibberish. But Bernie talks about policies that are good policies, and luckily most Americans agree, and that's why he became the most popular politician in the US.
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