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Bernie and AOC show

NatMorton said:
If the Democrats are not careful, their party's leadership vacuum will be filled by their party's idiots.
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Well now if that isn't an ironic post....then I dont know what it is. LMMFAO.:LOL: (y)

trump reporter.webp
 
NatMorton said:
That he's a socialist clown with an inability to see the inherent danger that comes from excessive centralization of political authority?

Absolutely.
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He's no worse than any other American politician. They're all fools and clowns who do nothing useful. I'd sooner support the man who actively prioritizes the working class, rather than the people who I know will do NOTHING to help.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Sanders and AOC will make plenty of noise, and honestly do a good job at working up the some of the voters based on *the very subjects* they ignored in 2024.
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They’ll continue to appeal to the same crowd they’ve always appealed to. Getting new members to join the bandwagon will be tough. But the Democratic Party will still be fractured and leaderless.
 
gman said:
I watched the NEWSNATION coverage of Bernie Sanders and AOC. Given the predicament the Democratic Party is in I thought maybe I’d hear something newsworthy from them. Actually I wasn’t surprised when they sang the same old song and presented absolutely nothing new to the sycophantics who lapped it up. The same old socialist rattrap Bernie’s been using for 50 years.
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Was there any talk of REALLLLY radical Socialist stuff like Healthcare For All?

Because I could REALLY go for that!!
 
gman said:
They’ll continue to appeal to the same crowd they’ve always appealed to. Getting new members to join the bandwagon will be tough. But the Democratic Party will still be fractured and leaderless.
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The Democratic party needs to die. They have nothing useful to offer anyone. Once we move their bloated carcass out of the way, then we'll have room for fresh ideas and new faces.
 
Irredentist said:
He's no worse than any other American politician. They're all fools and clowns who do nothing useful. I'd sooner support the man who actively prioritizes the working class, rather than the people who I know will do NOTHING to help.
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And I'd rather support someone who prioritizes liberty.
 
Irredentist said:
Like who?
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Honestly, I can't name a likely (or even possible) party nominee at this point whom I could wholeheartedly support. The concept of personal liberty and limited government isn't fashionable in either party right now.
 
NatMorton said:
Honestly, I can't name a likely (or even possible) party nominee at this point whom I could wholeheartedly support. The concept of personal liberty and limited government isn't fashionable in either party right now.
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Then I have no choice but to support Bernie Sanders and AOC, because they're the only ones championing the working class issues that I care about. Or would you rather I wait around another twenty years for a better candidate that probably doesn't exist?
 
gman said:
I watched the NEWSNATION coverage of Bernie Sanders and AOC. Given the predicament the Democratic Party is in I thought maybe I’d hear something newsworthy from them. Actually I wasn’t surprised when they sang the same old song and presented absolutely nothing new to the sycophantics who lapped it up. The same old socialist rattrap Bernie’s been using for 50 years.
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Good to hear from an 'independent' to the right of the far right.
 
gbg3 said:
Exactly. Laziness and delay could most certainly lead to that leadership vacuum being filled. I was quite surprised by a video of a recent Bernie/AOC event in AZ. I'd say they are very actively working to fill that void. The participation was huge and energetic and would indicate to me they are quite successfully filling that void. It's going to quickly become harder and harder for a person like Clyburn to step in and interfere with or stop that kind of momentum.
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It's nice to see a topic you aren't indoctrinated on which you can see better.
 
gman said:
I watched the NEWSNATION coverage of Bernie Sanders and AOC. Given the predicament the Democratic Party is in I thought maybe I’d hear something newsworthy from them. Actually I wasn’t surprised when they sang the same old song and presented absolutely nothing new to the sycophantics who lapped it up. The same old socialist rattrap Bernie’s been using for 50 years.
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The 'same old socialist claptrap' FDR spewed. Why do you demand they say something new? Have the needs and interests of the American people changed? What's changed is the fanaticism on the right, but the solutions haven't changed. It's the same democracy versus oligarchy war, it's just escalated, and it's clear you're on the side of oligarchy.
 
gbg3 said:
Exactly. Laziness and delay could most certainly lead to that leadership vacuum being filled. I was quite surprised by a video of a recent Bernie/AOC event in AZ. I'd say they are very actively working to fill that void. The participation was huge and energetic and would indicate to me they are quite successfully filling that void. It's going to quickly become harder and harder for a person like Clyburn to step in and interfere with or stop that kind of momentum.
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Hopefully, since the country needs Bernie/AOC, not Clyburn.
 
gman said:
I watched the NEWSNATION coverage of Bernie Sanders and AOC. Given the predicament the Democratic Party is in I thought maybe I’d hear something newsworthy from them. Actually I wasn’t surprised when they sang the same old song and presented absolutely nothing new to the sycophantics who lapped it up. The same old socialist rattrap Bernie’s been using for 50 years.
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What did Bernie Sanders say that you found so self-evidently wrong that you felt there was no need to even write a disputation?
 
Felis Leo said:
What did Bernie Sanders say that you found so self-evidently wrong that you felt there was no need to even write a disputation?
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For you and @Craig234: because they’re trying to sell an Edsel to people who would rather have a much newer, classier, model that fits their lifestyle and expectations.
 
gman said:
For you and @Craig234: because they’re trying to sell an Edsel to people who would rather have a much newer, classier, model that fits their lifestyle and expectations.
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Again, those are vague, glittering generalities, gman. You might as well have said "They want to sell us on bad things instead of good things." What is the Edsel? Guaranteed medical coverage for all citizens? Not having billionaires or boards of directors funnel millions of dollars into state and federal elections to practically buy them outright? What are we talking about here?
 
Felis Leo said:
Again, those are vague, glittering generalities, gman. You might as well have said "They want to sell us on bad things instead of good things." What is the Edsel? Guaranteed medical coverage for all citizens? Not having billionaires or boards of directors funnel millions of dollars into state and federal elections to practically buy them outright? What are we talking about here?
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Do you honestly not know what a Edsel is?Wishful thinking on your part will not change the minds of millions of people from a wing of the party who attract a fraction of the voting public. Maybe someday in the future the American public will be receptive to a socialist agenda and be willing to pay more taxes to support it , but not in today’s USA.
 
gman said:
For you and @Craig234: because they’re trying to sell an Edsel to people who would rather have a much newer, classier, model that fits their lifestyle and expectations.
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What are you talking about
 
Craig234 said:
What are you talking about
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Just comparing what Bernie and AOC are still trying to sell to the American people (Edsel) compared to a newer classier car.
 
gman said:
Just comparing what Bernie and AOC are still trying to sell to the American people (Edsel) compared to a newer classier car.
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That's totally wrong, though. It's like saying fruits and vegetables are an edsel and sodas are newer and classier and better. You sound like you fell for billions of marketing for oligarchy and don't get what good policies are, that are better for the public.
 
Craig234 said:
That's totally wrong, though. It's like saying fruits and vegetables are an edsel and sodas are newer and classier and better. You sound like you fell for billions of marketing for oligarchy and don't get what good policies are, that are better for the public.
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🤔 no. You’re stuck in wishful thinking for a socialist economy and lifestyle as opposed to reality. You’re ideas would be just as disruptive as Trump’s idealized version of an American past.
 
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