Bermuda Reversed Gay Marriage Law!

Rmoore said:

Homosexual people already have their rights granted by the Constitution. Why create "Special" laws just for them. Why do they need to marry? Again, it's just so they can take advantage of taxes that are meant for those who support children.

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Except plenty of opposite sex couples who not only do not have children, but who also can't have children and don't have children also get legally married. Argument dies there. There is no requirement for having or raising children in marriage. Additionally, some same sex couples do support children. Most marriage laws have absolutely zero to do with children, raising, supporting or having them.

Rmoore said:

I hadn't yet read that they had revoked it. We should still reverse these laws accross the US.

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No we shouldn't. And thank God that public opinion is not with you on this. The majority of younger generations support same sex marriage being legal.

Rmoore said:

True, but these laws can been used in conjunction with other laws to avoid constitutional law. This is what Iean by dismantle. But what you say is my point, they have their "equal" rights. They point to equal rights, but want to change marriage law. Rights are given based on the Constitution.

Changing marriage law only serves to help socially engineer other peoples children from afar.

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Rights are not given by the Constitution. They are protected by it. And the Constitution does not mention marriage for anyone.

Rmoore said:

I can and will back up my facts at a future time. I cannot properly make the uploads from my phone at this time. You are still trying to say that the majority of Americans are gay, which is false.

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No. The majority of straight people support same sex marriage. Most people who support same sex marriage are straight, many married with children, like myself.

VanceMack said:

I pretty much agree...provided that agreement and courtesy is extended both ways. Marriage as a civil contract really has nothing to do with the religious ideas of matrimony. At the same time...religious folk shouldnt be forced to participate in gay wedding rites. Yes...that includes baking cakes. Government entities...completely different. If you work for the government and hire on to a government agency it should be understood...you will be expected to rubber stamp gay marriages if that be the law of the land.

That being said...SINCE it is a civil commitment, it SHOULD be something the people should vote on.

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No, it should not be something people get to vote on. Do you feel the same about interracial marriages? That too was changed by a court decision, not voting, especially not in the South.

And if that applied to every business, for any reason, not just religious people objecting to this single type of commitment, that would at least be consistent. But since most are not for taking down all public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws, then sexuality should be protected. Don't want to bake a cake for a same sex/interracial/interfaith wedding, then don't sell wedding cakes to the public.

VanceMack said:

Not my place to define peoples moral values or belief systems. I would suggest however that 1-very few that were opposed to interracial marriage actual took that position based on their belief system and 2-most black folk get kinda pissed when you try to compare the two.

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And you would be wrong. Many did state (and some still do) religious beliefs against mixing the races. Even the judge in Loving v Virginia (the original case).

VanceMack said:

Because they think its ludicrous and offensive that you compare race to sexual preference.

I grew up in the south...I was exposed to a lot of racial hatred. I dont recall anyone ever using religion as their justification. Not saying it didnt happen...just not my experience.

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I was raised in the South too, and absolutely have seen/heard plenty justify their beliefs against interracial relationships under religion. Just as there are some who are against homosexuality who are atheist, have no religious beliefs. Just don't like it.

Rmoore said:

Your Cousin is not a Christian. Your gay cousin claims Christianity to make a mockery of Christianity.

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Then you need to reevaluate what actual amount of the population is Christian and whether you hold any sort of majority claim of Christianity in the US. Because most people who support same sex marriage, and a majority do here in the US, also claim to be Christians.

VanceMack said:

Most Christians believe that while the words of the Old testament are valuable and were certainly a black and white standard applied to a developing society, much of the laws changed with the life, atonement, and resurrection of Christ. I dont recall seeing a 'thou shalt not wed people of other races' scripture...certainly not in the New Testament. But Im not a great scriptorian...

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Most Christians support same sex marriage in the US. Far more than in a similar time frame from when interracial marriage became law. About 62% of Americans support same sex marriage. Most of the US is Christians.

VanceMack said:

Because it’s responsible to take a stand on right and wrong.


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And those who feel it is right for homosexuals to be able to marry someone of the same sex, that it is not wrong for them to do so, are standing up for them against those who feel otherwise.

My gay step-son was married by a Christian pastor. Those who would claim that Christianity is against same-sex marriage are advocates for one version of the faith, a version that not all who call themselves Christian support.

Yeah, yeah - "no true Scotsman are they"

Somerville said:

My gay step-son was married by a Christian pastor. Those who would claim that Christianity is against same-sex marriage are advocates for one version of the faith, a version that not all who call themselves Christian support.

Yeah, yeah - "no true Scotsman are they"

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Some people think their interpretation of Christianity is the only correct one.

I wonder why that is.

Somerville said:

My gay step-son was married by a Christian pastor. Those who would claim that Christianity is against same-sex marriage are advocates for one version of the faith, a version that not all who call themselves Christian support.

Yeah, yeah - "no true Scotsman are they"

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The funny thing is that many of those same people who will claim "Christians are against same sex marriage, if someone is claiming they are for same sex marriage, they are not a true Christian", are also generally the most likely to bring up the US being a Christian nation due to the majority of the population being Christian. They can't even see how contradictory or counterproductive these two statements/beliefs are. If those who are against same sex marriage are not "true Christians", then most of the nation is not "Christian", since most of the country supports same sex marriage. But if you want to continue to hold to the claim that the US has a Christian majority (which to me, currently and throughout its history so far is a fact), then you cannot exclude those who view same sex marriage as acceptable as Christians.