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Benefits of Trump’s Tariffs?

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The centerpiece of Trump’s economic plan is tariffs. As he says “I’m a tariff man.”

Unlike his targeted tariffs while he was President, he’s now talking about something orders of magnitude higher. He now wants tariffs on all imports from all countries. He started talking about 10% tariffs but more recently 20% and even mentioned 50%. In addition, he wants to put 60% tariffs on all imports from China.

It seems that many people don’t understand that this will increase prices on these goods. That’s more inflation! Perhaps people don’t understand because Trump claims that foreign countries will pay these tariffs but any economist will tell you that’s just nonsense!

I don’t know if Trump doesn’t really understand that the tariffs are collected here in the U.S. and that the cost will be passed on to consumers or not. Not only would the price of imports rise, but what always happens is that when the price of imported goods goes up, the price of domestic produced goods goes up also.

One question I have is now that inflation is down to acceptable levels, why would we want to reignite it again with the additional new cost of tariffs? Most estimates are that these tariffs would cost the average American household $2,000 - $3,000 per year (and those estimates were based on the 10% level)! Why would we want to do that?

Trump claims the benefit of his tariffs will result in millions of jobs coming “back” to the U.S. Unfortunately there are a number of problems with this:

First, we have always had imports so many of these jobs were never here.

Second, foreign countries will retaliate with their own tariffs on our goods. This will hurt our exports and some economists believe that the net result will be fewer jobs, not more.

Third, we don’t have the facilities to produce these goods. If it’s a manufactured good, we don’t have the factories, if it’s a crop that is grown we don’t have the farmland or climate needed, perhaps it’s seafood and we don’t have the means to supply that either and the list goes on and on.

Fourth, and I haven’t seen this discussed elsewhere, but even if we had the facilities to produce all these imported goods, we don’t have the workers to do it! For some time now we have been at full employment in this country and the idea that we could make all the goods that we currently import is absurd! It’s even more absurd when you take into account Trump’s plan to deport millions of workers that are already here working.

The bottom line is that Trump’s economic plan is to use familiar Trump phrasing a disaster like no one has ever seen before! And I’ve only discussed the impact here at home. One could start a whole new thread on the chaos Trump’s plan would create in the world economy.

Now some will say Trump won’t follow through on his tariff plans. Unfortunately, Trump’s obsession with tariffs has only been growing to where it’s become basically the centerpiece of his economic agenda and tariffs are one thing that Congress gave presidents wide authority to control way back in the 1930s. Given all that there is little reason to believe Trump won’t follow through on his plans. Don’t forget that “Tariff is the most beautiful word in the dictionary.”
 
Unlike his targeted tariffs while he was President, he’s now talking about something orders of magnitude higher. He now wants tariffs on all imports from all countries. He started talking about 10% tariffs but more recently 20% and even mentioned 50%. In addition, he wants to put 60% tariffs on all imports from China.
Source?
 
Sorry, I thought everyone knew this.

But Trump’s desire for high tariffs has been consistent. In an interview on Tuesday at the Economic Club of Chicago, he said, “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariff.’” As president, he called himself “a Tariff Man.” In fact, he imposed substantial tariffs when in office. Those actions were, however, mild compared with the tariffs he is proposing now. He initially suggested a 10 percent tariff on all imports, but now he talks about tariffs as high as 20 percent. (In Chicago, he even mused about 50 percent.) He wants a 60 percent tariff on imports from China.

 
Sorry, I thought everyone knew this.
Hadn't you heard? People on the left and right get different news from different sources nowadays. The days of a single mainstream media are long past, thanks to most of the media becoming the unpaid propaganda wing of the Dem party.

But Trump’s desire for high tariffs has been consistent. In an interview on Tuesday at the Economic Club of Chicago, he said, “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariff.’” As president, he called himself “a Tariff Man.” In fact, he imposed substantial tariffs when in office. Those actions were, however, mild compared with the tariffs he is proposing now. He initially suggested a 10 percent tariff on all imports, but now he talks about tariffs as high as 20 percent. (In Chicago, he even mused about 50 percent.) He wants a 60 percent tariff on imports from China.

Source that is not behind a paywall?

BTW, I went to the Trump official platform and it mentions tariffs only twice, both in the same paragraph. No mention of exact amounts.

1. Rebalance Trade - Our Trade deficit in goods has grown to over $1 Trillion Dollars a year. Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign made goods, pass the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices. As Tariffs on Foreign Producers go up, Taxes on American Workers, Families, and Businesses can come down.

See pg 11
 
Tariffs are probably the single worst form of taxation. Just terrible.
One big benefit (if you are Trump) is that they are mostly borne by the lower and middle classes while they have little impact percentage wise on a billionaire. For a billionaire they are far preferable to income taxes. So you can look at the plan as soak the poor and middle classes and give the wealthy another income tax break. I don’t know if Trump has figured this part out but that is the net impact.
 
Hadn't you heard? People on the left and right get different news from different sources nowadays. The days of a single mainstream media are long past, thanks to most of the media becoming the unpaid propaganda wing of the Dem party.
That’s interesting that right wing media is keeping all this from you.
Source that is not behind a paywall?

I gave you the text from the paywall article that answers your question, but here’s a non paywall article:


And you can click on the 20% link in the text from the paywall article and get to another link or you could just google “Trump tariffs” and get lots of articles.
BTW, I went to the Trump official platform and it mentions tariffs only twice, both in the same paragraph. No mention of exact amounts.
It’s all in his speeches that he has given over and over again. I imagine the campaign doesn’t really want to tell you what Trump wants to do so the platform doesn't really tell you anything but he tells us anyway.
1. Rebalance Trade - Our Trade deficit in goods has grown to over $1 Trillion Dollars a year. Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign made goods, pass the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices. As Tariffs on Foreign Producers go up, Taxes on American Workers, Families, and Businesses can come down.

See pg 11
 
Are you asking for a source about how tariffs work? Why is it when someone mentions raising taxes will mean people will pay more money to meet their tax burden you do not ask for a source? If someone proposes something that means you will get fined if you do not follow speed limits, you need to see a source.

I understand wanting to see a source if you hear somebody making a claim that goes against every thing you know about such a claim. But if someone talks about something in a way the whole world understands that this thing works, you should not ask for a source.
It makes you look stupid.

If someone mentions that a proposal that includes raising taxes by 5%, will cost us more in taxes, please do not ask for a source. It does not make you look like a critical thinker
 
Trumps tariffs proposal is extremely preliminary and will involve negotiations with the exporting country. It's too early to do a detained analysis when you don't even know the assumptions. However the takeaway one should get is: 1) Trump plans on Tariffs as a tax revenue stream for the goverment. 2) Importers will negotiate with exporter on how to cover the cost of the tariffs.
 
Trumps tariffs proposal is extremely preliminary and will involve negotiations with the exporting country. It's too early to do a detained analysis when you don't even know the assumptions. However the takeaway one should get is: 1) Trump plans on Tariffs as a tax revenue stream for the goverment. 2) Importers will negotiate with exporter on how to cover the cost of the tariffs.

That seems thoughtful.

While we are looking for agreements let me propose this:
Trumps understanding of how tariffs work is extremely preliminary. It will remain that way into perpetuity, because one of the things Trump avoids, is learning something new.
That is like admitting he did not know everything all along.

Admittedy every now and then he will accidentally learn something new.
(hint: you can tell when Trump learns something new, because he has to tell everyone. He tells it like he is sharing new knowledge,
eg: 'Most people don't know this, but Lincoln was a Republican; "Healthcare is much more complicated than people realize")

I am not against tariffs, but they are to be used as a way of leveling the playing field. Lets look at Steel. If some gov't is giving its Steel Producers tax subsidies and incentives, which allow them to sell steel to other countries at a greatly reduced rate. Then an importing country may use tariffs on those imports to protect the domestic steel industry from unfair trade practices.

Trump seems to think that the exporting country pays the tariffs. Tariffs are basically an import tax, paid by the companies who are importing the goods, forcing them to charge more for these goods, in order to make a profit.

We have to excuse Trump, he does not care to try to understand this stuff or anything, really.

For instance, Trump thinks that because refugees come to the U.S. seeking asylum, they must have been let out of Insane Asylums in their home country.
He is not a deep thinker.
 
Trumps tariffs proposal is extremely preliminary and will involve negotiations with the exporting country. It's too early to do a detained analysis when you don't even know the assumptions.
Why is this? He's been touting tariffs for his entire reelection campaign, but he still doesn't have the details ?!!? . . Trump's claims about making other countries pay sounds just about as credible as his bullshit about making Mexico pay for his wall - and we all know how brilliantly that "art of the deal" turned out.
 
Why is this? He's been touting tariffs for his entire reelection campaign, but he still doesn't have the details ?!!? . . Trump's claims about making other countries pay sounds just about as credible as his bullshit about making Mexico pay for his wall - and we all know how brilliantly that "art of the deal" turned out.
Agreed, he is a good talker, not much of a walker.

Too be perfectly honest even the 'talker' part has seen better days
 
Seems he wants to force America to produce its own products. Now that's a romantic 1950's idea but forcing it will cost Americans. So, it will create jobs but, you'll be paying double for autos for example. Currently, 40 million jobs rely on trade, so those would be cut off and America would start a trade war. Trump claims it will force Americans to work if they want those products.

So this will have a serious effect on America. It's a huge change, and overnight according to Trump. Trump see's the forced costs as a positive, eventually. We will become self reliant, but it will cost ya. It will be a national sales tax, and a pretty penny. Is it worth it? Who knows, that's the question. Doesn't even seem he knows at this moment. All he cares about is bringing companies back here from Mexico, Indian, and China. This will be a very long term expensive plan.
It's a very nationalist, inclusive plan and the immediate cost of it doesn't seem to matter. It's about America being self reliant more than prosperous.

He's mentioning 50%, 100% tariffs in this interview. He mentions seeing America more as a developing country, which is odd. IMO.

 
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Are you asking for a source about how tariffs work? Why is it when someone mentions raising taxes will mean people will pay more money to meet their tax burden you do not ask for a source? If someone proposes something that means you will get fined if you do not follow speed limits, you need to see a source.

I understand wanting to see a source if you hear somebody making a claim that goes against every thing you know about such a claim. But if someone talks about something in a way the whole world understands that this thing works, you should not ask for a source.
It makes you look stupid.

If someone mentions that a proposal that includes raising taxes by 5%, will cost us more in taxes, please do not ask for a source. It does not make you look like a critical thinker
You are exactly right.

I have just recalled the very old saying: What i source for the goose is source for the gander.
 
Bottom line, trump is a blithering moron and a horrible businessperson. Every business he touches turns to shit, and he's too stupid to see the damage his tarriffs would cause to the American people, because he doesn't care about the American people,period. I wisj Americans would see him for the freak he is.
 
Bottom line, trump is a blithering moron and a horrible businessperson. Every business he touches turns to shit, and he's too stupid to see the damage his tarriffs would cause to the American people, because he doesn't care about the American people,period. I wisj Americans would see him for the freak he is.
They will, one day, perhaps. If they allow actual history to be taught in schools. They are shying away from that now, but maybe one day Americans will see the benefit of having their children being as knowledgable as children from other, less free, countries.
 
Seems he wants to force America to produce its own products. Now that's a romantic 1950's idea but forcing it will cost Americans.

Where does this wisdom go when we discuss corporate tax rates or min wage labor hikes?
 
Excessive tariffs are generally a bad idea. About the only time they make sense is when they’re retaliatory, i.e. a targeted counter strike aimed at convincing some other nation to lower unreasonable tariffs applied to American exports,

A fundamental principle to remember: businesses don’t really pay taxes; they collect them. The cost of taxation is almost always born by the consumer.
 
Excessive tariffs are generally a bad idea. About the only time they make sense is when they’re retaliatory, i.e. a targeted counter strike aimed at convincing some other nation to lower unreasonable tariffs applied to American exports,

A fundamental principle to remember: businesses don’t really pay taxes; they collect them. The cost of taxation is almost always born by the consumer.
nope
 
It seems that many people don’t understand that this will increase prices on these goods.
Raising the price is meant to reduce consumption. Trump is imposing tariffs, in part, to dissuade Americans from buying foreign made products. It's also meant to discourage companies from outsourcing labor. To a lesser degree it gives Trump a political bargaining chip to make exceptions in exchange for back-room concessions.
 
Hadn't you heard? People on the left and right get different news from different sources nowadays. The days of a single mainstream media are long past, thanks to most of the media becoming the unpaid propaganda wing of the Dem party.


Source that is not behind a paywall?

BTW, I went to the Trump official platform and it mentions tariffs only twice, both in the same paragraph. No mention of exact amounts.

1. Rebalance Trade - Our Trade deficit in goods has grown to over $1 Trillion Dollars a year. Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign made goods, pass the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices. As Tariffs on Foreign Producers go up, Taxes on American Workers, Families, and Businesses can come down.

See pg 11
You can get around the paywall. That said stop complaining you don’t need a source to know how tariffs work
 
One big benefit (if you are Trump) is that they are mostly borne by the lower and middle classes while they have little impact percentage wise on a billionaire. For a billionaire they are far preferable to income taxes. So you can look at the plan as soak the poor and middle classes and give the wealthy another income tax break. I don’t know if Trump has figured this part out but that is the net impact.
Oh, he’s figured it out all right. The people that haven’t are his supporters.
 
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