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Belgian police arrest 16 in anti-terror raids

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Now it's also time to work on these so-called "no-go" zones. Anytime law enforcement stops or appears afraid to patrol areas invites serious problems as we are seeing now.


The profile is quite strange too, the Belgian jihadis appear to have had a better chance of integrating but did not.
 
They've spotted Abdelsalam (what an ironic name) in a car near Liege but he managed to escape to Germany so I hear.
 
They've spotted Abdelsalam (what an ironic name) in a car near Liege but he managed to escape to Germany so I hear.

Imagine what a manned border crossing for every person crossing between countries would have done to slow his progress down.

Why people thought open borders would only be used by innocent civilians is beyond me.
 
Imagine what a manned border crossing for every person crossing between countries would have done to slow his progress down.

Why people thought open borders would only be used by innocent civilians is beyond me.

To say that they've been naive would be an understatement.
 
Imagine what a manned border crossing for every person crossing between countries would have done to slow his progress down.

Why people thought open borders would only be used by innocent civilians is beyond me.

I dont see your point. Thats as absurd as blaming open borders between US states allow fugitives to run free. Surely you dont advocate all state crossings to be manned so why would you suggest the same in the EU as the EU/country relationship operates similar to state/federal relationship.
 
With any luck, the people of Europe have woke up and are willing to aggressively fight Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist acts. Hopefully, all those peaceful Muslims we hear so much about will join in this new effort to expose and oust violent fundamentalist Muslims before they kill more people.
 
Imagine what a manned border crossing for every person crossing between countries would have done to slow his progress down.

Why people thought open borders would only be used by innocent civilians is beyond me.

Would not have slowed him down, he would just have used one of the unmanned border crossings or just walked over the border in the middle of a field.
 

Often the "better chance of integrating" is, as you say appearance. I have not looked at the situation for Arabs in detail, but the probability of a German born German from the lower class climbing the social ladder has a very bad statistical prognosis. The same seems to be true in the US also, though, certain ethnic groups do seem to break the mold for their group completely.
 
Would not have slowed him down, he would just have used one of the unmanned border crossings or just walked over the border in the middle of a field.

Or the criminal is exceedingly stupid.
 

Where we were living Aix la Chapelle (Aachen) was one of a number of cities that have no-go zones. This was unheard of 30 years ago in Germany, but has grown out of a trend to ethnic dominated ghettoization that set in in the 1960s and 70s, when large numbers of foreign labor was imported. Generally the European groups progressed to integrate better than the Turks did. Later Russian enclaves have appeared and now there will be Arab population adding in. The administration is making an effort to distribute these new immigrants around more.
 

The EU keeps saying it's not a federal body; thus the countries (not states) are not analogous to states in the USA. Before Schengen came into operation there were borders - that is undeniable; borders which checked ID and passports of people trying to cross.

Would not have slowed him down, he would just have used one of the unmanned border crossings or just walked over the border in the middle of a field.

Just lovely
 

Not really, though. I remember before Switzerland joined the Schengen area, no one ever checked my ID at the French or Swiss borders when I crossed them several times a month to go shopping. It happened maybe once or twice and only on the Swiss side, never on the French side.
 
The current problems are because many exterior borders are not secured, enforced. Normally, interior borders are an annoyance and costly for businesses due to extra hassle, but as our exterior borders are no longer enforced, countries that are NOT (Hungary,Poland) totally insane (Germany, Sweden) may find those interior borders necessary.
 

Not for me as a Dane. I could go to Germany, Sweden, Spain without much bother. Sure I had to wave my passport, but that is about it. When I go to Gib, I just wave my passport. No checks. Listen I dont mind having border police look at me, and calling me over for a check if they suspect something.. as long as most EU citizens can move as easily as possible across borders as the founders of the EEC/EU intended.

Just lovely

But factual and undeniable. Unless you put up wire fences or better and have constant patrols.. basically turning the border into the same system as the North-South Korean border.. then you wont be able to stop them.
 
~ no one ever checked my ID at the French or Swiss borders when I crossed them several times a month to go shopping. It happened maybe once or twice and only on the Swiss side, never on the French side.

~ Sure I had to wave my passport ~

Exactly.

There were people there who could respond and check if needed. There's even less checking now and even less people who could be called upon to check for suspects as they cross the borders..
 

Foreign labor imported by capitalists who wanted to go around the labor/wage laws at the time. Horrific mistake.
 
Foreign labor imported by capitalists who wanted to go around the labor/wage laws at the time. Horrific mistake.

Not capitalists.

People who feed of free market capitalism that want to introduce a plutocratic, corrupt, unaccountable global governing structure to eliminate competition so only they can operate and introduce artificial scarcity so they can increase prices and their own wealth.
 

But that IS capitalism. Or what it becomes eventually. Go where the money goes, if it's cheaper to produce goods and services with cheap labor, it's a no brainer. Shouldn't you know this as a libertarian? Haha
 
Why call it Aix la Chapelle? Are you French?

www.aachen.de - Actualité




Integration is paramount. The banlieues in Paris are an example of this.
 
But that IS capitalism. Or what it becomes eventually. Go where the money goes, if it's cheaper to produce goods and services with cheap labor, it's a no brainer. Shouldn't you know this as a libertarian? Haha

Capitalism has competition. Monopolies/oligarchs don't want competition as it threatens their dominance.

These monopolies have built up their wealth using capitalism now the chaos they intentionally created will obviously create public anger which will then be used to increase socialist policies which will limit free market capitalism that the monopolies used to build themselves up while they are immune to the taxes which the socialist government will introduce. These monopolies will work with that socialist government which they supported in gaining power to selectively tax companies which they are in competition with.

As the elites have said "Competition is a sin"- John D. Rockefeller



Their goal is to eliminate competition because it challenges their hegemony.
 

I didn't say monopolies, I said the reason for the import of cheap labor was to get around labor/wage laws. Are you disputing that?
 
I didn't say monopolies, I said the reason for the import of cheap labor was to get around labor/wage laws. Are you disputing that?

Which the monopolies/elites will use to increase their wealth and further their agenda of balkanization by importing people of different cultures into targeted countries to destroy their culture and identity over time as well as increasing the threat of terrorism which will also play into their agenda of increasing surveillance and the police state.
 
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