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Before we put a fetus to death.

Papa bull

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How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
 
Papa bull said:
How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
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No. That might slow down the process of mass murder being perpetrated.
 
Papa bull said:
How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
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Paleocon said:
No. That might slow down the process of mass murder being perpetrated.
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Papa bull said:
How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
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Sarcasm. I love it. Especially when it is on the correct side of the issue.


As I just said in another thread:


TerryOfromCA said:
The Law is wrong. The law once called black people 2/3 of a person, and said they were property. The law was wrong then and it is wrong now.

Law is not science.

Scientifically, a fetus is a human being.

Liberals always say Conservatives don't believe in science. Hah! On this issue, liberals SPIT on science.

Scientifically, the "fetus" is a human being: He/She has human blood & human DNA, which makes him or her human; not a dog, not a cat, not a bird, but human. And when he or she is sucked through a vacuum tube and destroyed, what has just been destroyed is human life. That is science. That is fact. It cannot be disputed.

What is all too often being focused on instead though is the "legalisms" of "personhood", whether or not the child in the womb is legally a person. What is wrong with that is, that is what was done to the slaves. Their blood and DNA were human too, but the law denied them personhood, and that is what is being done here too.

Abortion is the destruction of human life. Thats science. I don't care what a judge says or what a lawyer says: What I am saying is SCIENCE and is FACT, and judges & lawyers are not scientists or biologists. The child in the womb, scientifically is a human being, and therefore killing him or her is murder. And also, it is scientific fact that the child in the womb has a unique DNA, apart from the mother. So the babe is not part of the mother's body, but is an independent being.. . . . . .
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So, I assume you personally will pay for all the public defenders required?

Another way to control a woman's body by running out the clock. Duly note.
 
year2late said:
So, I assume you personally will pay for all the public defenders required?. . . . .
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You pay for public defenders for dope dealers, gangebangers, and every other lowlife.

But you have a problem defending an innocent child?

You MUST be a Democrat.

WAR ON CHILDREN !!
 
Papa bull said:
How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
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Papa bull said:
I know, huh?! That's about all a lib can do in response to that. Try to deflect with an animated gif and hope the question goes away. :)
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When I first saw your screen name I thought it was Papal Bull. LOL. I had to look twice.
 
Papa bull said:
How about we just require a hearing and assign the fetus an attorney to defend it against those that want to take it's life. If there's a compelling case of conflict of interest where the mother's rights are so egregiously violated by the fetus that the fetus must be put to death, then there shouldn't be a problem making the case before a court or a tribunal set up for just such a purpose. Every human being has a right to a defense.

Or do they?
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they don't fetus is not a person your pet cat should have more rights then a human fetus so should are food animals
 
Paleocon said:
No. That might slow down the process of mass murder being perpetrated.
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how can it be murder its not wrongful or illegal killing
 
TerryOfromCA said:
You pay for public defenders for dope dealers, gangebangers, and every other lowlife.

But you have a problem defending an innocent child?

You MUST be a Democrat.

WAR ON CHILDREN !!
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criminals are people they must be in fact

a fetus is not

humans become people after there born maybe not right after but im pretty sure most every one is for defending them at that point so no war on children
 
TerryOfromCA said:
You pay for public defenders for dope dealers, gangebangers, and every other lowlife.

But you have a problem defending an innocent child?

You MUST be a Democrat.

WAR ON CHILDREN !!
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Alabama, the state which just passed this absurd law, is cutting funding for public defenders while allotting money to be spent on the fetus-defending attorneys will receive. Jessica Williams from the The Daily Show did a bit of investigating
[video]http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ouq3mw/the-unborn-ultimatum[/video]
 
blarg said:
how can it be murder its not wrongful or illegal killing
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Its murder because innocent human beings are being killed.

Using your logic, Hitler's holocaust was okay because it was legal in Germany.
 
Papa bull said:
I know, huh?! That's about all a lib can do in response to that. Try to deflect with an animated gif and hope the question goes away. :)
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if I ask you why a fetus is a person wont you just deflect?
 
blarg said:
criminals are people they must be in fact

a fetus is not . . . . .
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Wrong. That faulty POV has been addressed.

I repeat:

QUOTE:

The Law is wrong. The law once called black people 2/3 of a person, and said they were property. The law was wrong then and it is wrong now.

Law is not science.

Scientifically, a fetus is a human being.

Liberals always say Conservatives don't believe in science. Hah! On this issue, liberals SPIT on science.

Scientifically, the "fetus" is a human being: He/She has human blood & human DNA, which makes him or her human; not a dog, not a cat, not a bird, but human. And when he or she is sucked through a vacuum tube and destroyed, what has just been destroyed is human life. That is science. That is fact. It cannot be disputed.

What is all too often being focused on instead though is the "legalisms" of "personhood", whether or not the child in the womb is legally a person. What is wrong with that is, that is what was done to the slaves. Their blood and DNA were human too, but the law denied them personhood, and that is what is being done here too.

Abortion is the destruction of human life. Thats science. I don't care what a judge says or what a lawyer says: What I am saying is SCIENCE and is FACT, and judges & lawyers are not scientists or biologists. The child in the womb, scientifically is a human being, and therefore killing him or her is murder. And also, it is scientific fact that the child in the womb has a unique DNA, apart from the mother. So the babe is not part of the mother's body, but is an independent being.. . . . . .
 
TerryOfromCA said:
You pay for public defenders for dope dealers, gangebangers, and every other lowlife.

But you have a problem defending an innocent child?

You MUST be a Democrat.

WAR ON CHILDREN !!
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A fetus is not a child, the concept wasn't thought of until the 20th Century.

"Very Conservative" but not very knowledgeable about the US Constitution - how unusual :roll:
 
blarg said:
they don't fetus is not a person your pet cat should have more rights then a human fetus so should are food animals
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The courts disagree with you completely. If you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and she loses her baby, you can get charged with murder. That's because we realize that a fetus with it's own DNA, own brain, own heart, all different from Mom's is.... get this... a human being! It's a little nuts to think that it's not really a human being until it manages to escape the birth canal without getting aborted.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
Its murder because innocent human beings are being killed.

Using your logic, Hitler's holocaust was okay because it was legal in Germany.
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but those humans are not people yet so its not murder their innocent in the way a pig or a cow is

and I made the distinction between wrong and illegal so the holocaust being ok according to me is what your saying not me

thanks
 
Somerville said:
A fetus is not a child, the concept wasn't thought of until the 20th Century.

"Very Conservative" but not very knowledgeable about the US Constitution - how unusual :roll:
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And homosexual marriage was something that was only foisted on us in the 21st century. Does that mean it's a ridiculous concept, too?
 
TerryOfromCA said:
Wrong. That faulty POV has been addressed.

I repeat:

QUOTE:

The Law is wrong. The law once called black people 2/3 of a person, and said they were property. The law was wrong then and it is wrong now.

Law is not science.

Scientifically, a fetus is a human being.

Liberals always say Conservatives don't believe in science. Hah! On this issue, liberals SPIT on science.

Scientifically, the "fetus" is a human being: He/She has human blood & human DNA, which makes him or her human; not a dog, not a cat, not a bird, but human. And when he or she is sucked through a vacuum tube and destroyed, what has just been destroyed is human life. That is science. That is fact. It cannot be disputed.

What is all too often being focused on instead though is the "legalisms" of "personhood", whether or not the child in the womb is legally a person. What is wrong with that is, that is what was done to the slaves. Their blood and DNA were human too, but the law denied them personhood, and that is what is being done here too.

Abortion is the destruction of human life. Thats science. I don't care what a judge says or what a lawyer says: What I am saying is SCIENCE and is FACT, and judges & lawyers are not scientists or biologists. The child in the womb, scientifically is a human being, and therefore killing him or her is murder. And also, it is scientific fact that the child in the womb has a unique DNA, apart from the mother. So the babe is not part of the mother's body, but is an independent being.. . . . . .
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but black people have minds like Ares that's why its wrong to not consider them people

I know a fetus is human what's your point?
 
TerryOfromCA said:
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Abortion is the destruction of human life. Thats science. I don't care what a judge says or what a lawyer says: What I am saying is SCIENCE and is FACT, and judges & lawyers are not scientists or biologists. The child in the womb, scientifically is a human being, and therefore killing him or her is murder. And also, it is scientific fact that the child in the womb has a unique DNA, apart from the mother. So the babe is not part of the mother's body, but is an independent being.. . . . . .
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Nope -- it is a religious belief. You are saying a fetus is a human because it has human blood and human DNA. Using the same logic, your liver is a human, your kidney is a human. If a kidney is removed from your body for any reason, has a human been 'murdered'
 
Papa bull said:
I know, huh?! That's about all a lib can do in response to that. Try to deflect with an animated gif and hope the question goes away. :)
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It meant to illustrate my reaction to your complete and utter level of absurdity in the OP.
 
blarg said:
if I ask you why a fetus is a person wont you just deflect?
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I'd ask you the same thing. To me, a fetus is a person because it has human DNA. It has a brain. It has a heart. It has everything the rest of us have, including the ability to move independently and react to stimuli. So why isn't it a human being? What makes "a human being" a "human being" in your mind? What characteristics identify it as human?
 
Papa bull said:
And homosexual marriage was something that was only foisted on us in the 21st century. Does that mean it's a ridiculous concept, too?
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Don't know history too well, do ya?

Two adult rational beings wishing to be joined together in a loving relationship is equivalent to abortion - seriously?
 
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