It still gets me how Kissinger handled that 2S deferment, ending it in an election year when they knew they wouldn't draft. I gambled on cynicism and won but always felt guilty. I was 1H for 7 years at #32. I still wonder about turning down the ROTC scholarship. You to me are like my buddy who is now gone. He had a life but mental and physical injuries caused much pain and the rest. He wasn't alone in our town either. I miss dM in here. And now I remember Nimbus. He made me laugh.
Now there's a monument to irrelevance. Can't blame this on GWB. Lefties will need a new tactic.
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
I think Nuland might be looking for a job as well. Probably won't go much higher than that, though. Hillary will be held as sacrosanct in the end. Besides, she has the balls of several guys in a juju bag somewhere, and they all know it.Of all the people involved in this, Jim Carney will be the only one who takes a fall. He probably should, but it is a shame since he is the most tolerable WH spokesman I have seen in my life.
BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll
"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.
Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."
There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.
State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."
so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first
what is so sad and is making me ashamed of American news organizations is the rest of the world is waking up and calling it a cover up and our news organizations are still trying to spin it away, while the world is laughing at them
:roll: Just more proof that the BBC is a right wing conspiracy machine in league with Faux News.
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
I have to disagree with that. I think this tragedy is the result of us going into Libya in the first damn place. If we hadn't done that, this would have never happened.
Actually, that's why we're both alive. The Cuban Missile Crisis, and countless times before the fall of the Soviet Union anything could have happened if we just nuked everybody.
4 Special Forces guys from Tripoli is hardly a huge invasion force. However, 4 SEALS properly armed would have been more than a match for the folks doing the killing.
The prior planning,
the refusal to see reality,
the collective illusion of the administration,
the willingly complicit coma of the press corps,
the lack of response on that night,
the lack of proper leadership by the absentee president,
the willful ignoring of the of the situation by all in the administration,
the coverup
and the ongoing lies are all a national disgrace.
Will the Obamatrons finally see this failed shell of a president for what he is?
Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans
http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
Time will tell. So far I have seen nothing to get overly excited about or to jump to the president defense. Better for all to sit back and let this play out before jumping to a ton of different conclusions.
Nimbus was a good man, headstrong, but he had a good heart. I tend to miss Mback and mangas. But from what I hear both are out there in the Arizona, New Mexico area living life like it was meant to be. Respecting the elders and the ancients.
WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....
Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.
Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.
As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.
Hopefully, the "youtube video" BS was about chasing down the perpetrators before they knew that we knew.
Just that one schlub that made the video. Course, he's the ring leader. Obama might want to consider taking down the trophy photo of bin Laden and put this guy's mug up in it's place. The focus has shifted a bit, after all.How many of those perpetrators have been "Chased Down" at this point?
Whatv makes you think that 4 people could have stopped anything from happening?
Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans
http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
It's asinine to think the govt of Libya, months after revolution and with no unified command of military forces was capable of doing that.
Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans
http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
It's asinine to think the govt of Libya, months after revolution and with no unified command of military forces was capable of doing that.
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