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Oh yes I was. Jailed twice for protesting against her police state; once supporting the miners, once for opposing her Falklands adventure.
The flaws of capital punishment extrapolated to an ever growing population in our societies. Wonderful.
never talk big
The Irish leadership and the IRA meet Thatcher halfway on any and all wrongdoings that have only aggravated the situation there.
I'm not aware with the specifics of what you talk about the Catholic community, but I will inform myself. I cannot say for certain whether this has any justification or not, so far. You are entitled to your opinion however, and I shall seek for information.
No, it's mostly just people who work hard at jobs where they sometimes get their hands dirty.
I hated her on her Irish policy so don't make no bones about it.. Despite what people think..was the best move she ever made.
During her tenure as PM she banned British broadcasters from using the real voices of the IRA leadership, allowed collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations in Northern Ireland. Do you know who the actor Stephen Rea is? He was in V for Vendetta and such.. well he was the hired actor that the British broadcasters used to get around Thatcher's banning of IRA leadership being given a voice. He was the voice of Gerry Adams.
Scargill may have been a dismissed as a demagogue, but his dire predictions were largely fulfilled.
Scargill may have been a dismissed as a demagogue, but his dire predictions were largely fulfilled.
I'm glad you used the quotation marks. What kind of army uses no weapons? You didn't watch that YT doc about Orgreave, did you?
I agreed with that. Funny how she wasn't very keen on secret votes for elections within the Tory party. She wasn't elected by 'one member, one vote', but still felt it appropriate to impose on the trades unions. Yup, giving the police draconian powers to prevent the free movement of citizens and the right to free, peaceful assembly. Not true, that already happened, and in a significantly more democratic manner than did the Tory party.
Why don't you mention that unemployment in 1979 was 1.3 million and in 1991 it was 2.3 million?
That's Lie #1 of the Thatcher revisionists. What statistical data are you using to make that claim? I'm using government's own stats: 1979 unemployment 1.3 million, 1991 unemployment 2.3 million.
What was the best move she ever made? Her Irish policy? You are kidding, no?
As Gerry Adams said today, her Irish policy was a total and absolute failure...
Sorry, misunderstanding, striking miners. On the Irish policy I am personally hoping she's burning in hell.
Andy, I hope you realise I was referencing her vascular dementia.
Then you concede that there was no NUM 'army' and that you used the term for rhetorical purposes.I've read about Orgreave, including how the charges were dropped. I had no desire to spend 52 minutes of my life watching something there are short precis about.
Don't you remember her mantra about 'one member, one vote' in relation to union elections? How come that ethos only applied to trades unions and not to political parties?Thatcher went head to head against Ted Heath and had a lot of back-bench support while the Tory Grandees supported Heath. He stood down but she still had to go for a second ballot where she received the support of 149 Tory MPs. Are you talking about the MPs not supporting her or the conservative party membership? Personally I believe the MPs (of all parties) know among themselves who commands the highest respect and leadership qualities. I certainly think the membership should have some form of say but the perfect example of how this can provide lame duck leaders is the recent contest between Ed and David Miliband. Ed was foisted onto the Labour party by the unions while the MPs went for David. (if I recall correctly)
Except that those cheaper sources ran out. Britain's North Sea Oil has gone, just 40 years after coming on line. There are still millions of tons of coal that would now be uneconomic to extract, but wouldn't be had we kept the mines open. The difference was in the non-unionised nature of the North Sea oil industry, and the unionised coal mines i.e. the profits for the Tory-supporting oil companies trumped the sustainability of coal and the prosperity of the mining communities. As I've said before, Thatcher was a great, great class warrior. She knew whose side she was on. Nothing to do with the economic prosperity of the nation as a whole.Many of those jobs came from industries that the taxpayer subsidised. Coal mines that made no money or profit. Where is the economic sense in taking taxpayer money to put people into jobs producing something we couldn't export and which faced cheaper / more efficient / better quality imports?
Nonsense. Tebbit didn't invent the idea of getting on your bike. Working class people had been doing that for centuries - as far back as the Black Death in fact. Tebbit was merely expressing the Tories' disdain and domination of the working class. "You do what we, the Bosses, tell you. Or else.Yes many towns and communities lost their central industry but this comes down to what kind of society we want - we still have a legacy of people who sit in their local communities and demand that life treat them well or take care of them while hardworking Polish immigrants come and do the work local Brits refuse to do. Tebbit was hated for his "get on your bike and look for work" statements but at heart - he was right. If you looked for work, you could find it - even in the worst of the 80's unemployment era.
Clearly, as we've never returned to a situation even approaching full employment, and we never will while neo-liberal economics is the model. It would be fatal for the neo-lib model to even conceive of full employment. Capitalism requires a pool of under-class workers that can be assimilated or discarded into or out of the work-force according to whichever cycle of boom and bust it is in at the particular time. It has nothing to do with trades unionism, and everything to do with an economic model that builds in its social inequality. It won't last forever, but it does require its prophets and its apparatchiks. Thatcher is notable merely for being both.It reached 3.2 million under Thatcher at one point but that doesn't change that many of the lost jobs were unsustainable anyway.
Then you concede that there was no NUM 'army' and that you used the term for rhetorical purposes.
-- Don't you remember her mantra about 'one member, one vote' in relation to union elections? How come that ethos only applied to trades unions and not to political parties?
--*Except that those cheaper sources ran out. Britain's North Sea Oil has gone, just 40 years after coming on line. There are still millions of tons of coal that would now be uneconomic to extract, but wouldn't be had we kept the mines open. The difference was in the non-unionised nature of the North Sea oil industry, and the unionised coal mines i.e. the profits for the Tory-supporting oil companies trumped the sustainability of coal and the prosperity of the mining communities. As I've said before, Thatcher was a great, great class warrior. She knew whose side she was on. Nothing to do with the economic prosperity of the nation as a whole.
-- Nonsense. Tebbit didn't invent the idea of getting on your bike. Working class people had been doing that for centuries - as far back as the Black Death in fact. Tebbit was merely expressing the Tories' disdain and domination of the working class. "You do what we, the Bosses, tell you. Or else.
--*Clearly, as we've never returned to a situation even approaching full employment, and we never will while neo-liberal economics is the model. It would be fatal for the neo-lib model to even conceive of full employment. Capitalism requires a pool of under-class workers that can be assimilated or discarded into or out of the work-force according to whichever cycle of boom and bust it is in at the particular time. It has nothing to do with trades unionism, and everything to do with an economic model that builds in its social inequality. It won't last forever, but it does require its prophets and its apparatchiks. Thatcher is notable merely for being both.
That Morrissey is smarter and more insightful than that dullard Thatcher? Yeah, there is an irony in that.
Thatcher's hatred of working people still give conservatives erections after all these years.
Tell that to the Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Which is why it's funny to watch you try so hard.
Meanwhile, I think Thatcher and Reagan were soul mates because they both loved invading ineffectual countries and declaring victory over sheep and nuns.
Curious that both she and her soulmate Reagan suffered from dementia. Almost prophetic.
Very classy. You should take a leaf from Martin McGuiness' thoughts.
She regretted signing the Anglo Irish agreement but as another poster commented earlier - that paved the way later for the peace that now reigns.
The majority in Northern Ireland want to remain British. As a Catholic I sympathize with the Catholics there, but not the Catholic terrorists. However, it is the democratically expressed will of the people of Northern Ireland to remain British. I respect that.
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