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Yes, I did, because you're acting as if a small group is the entirety of one.


What makes you think this is political? Why do you keep coming back to that? I'm thinking it is political for you, otherwise why you keep talking about it?


How is wisdom from my elders when they were in their 20s when they had this information? What is it that makes you so sure that enhanced methods don't work sometimes when all else has failed?
 

1. Read the doggone reference, willya, so you can stop wrongly thinking it was only one or two out of the group who spoke out against torture.

2. And even if your disagreement isn't political, that doesn't negate one whit of their experience.

3. Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded EIGHTY THREE TIMES, and KSM was waterboarded ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE TIMES. So obviously it didn't work the first time, or the tenth time, or the fiftieth time...and on KSM, it didn't work on the hundredth or the hundred-and-fiftieth.

...whereas the willing testimony of men who were successful when it counted said their way did work. So your way didn't work after scores and scores of times. No thank you, I'll take their word - and George Washington's wisdom - over yours.
 

Damn, dude...you kind of got a ways off topic here, didn't you? And in your own thread! Is that the way you roll? Bring up a subject...and then talk about something else?

Sounds familiar...where have I heard that kind of thing before? Oh...I remember. Last Sunday...on one of those Sunday morning political talk shows. Someone ask a question of a Democratic polititian...a Senator or something. He never did answer the question...just started talking about something else.

You taking lessons from those guys?
 

I notice how you were all over me for being on a different subject, and said not one word to the other guy who's also on the same subject I am. Oh, that's right - I'm the liberal, therefore it must be my fault. Very good, guy.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
1. Read the doggone reference, willya, so you can stop wrongly thinking it was only one or two out of the group who spoke out against torture.
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So it was every interrogator from WWII?

2. And even if your disagreement isn't political, that doesn't negate one whit of their experience.
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It negates your argument that this is political.


That was two examples? Cake and pie didn't work with them, either. Does that mean being nice never works?

...whereas the willing testimony of men who were successful when it counted said their way did work. So your way didn't work after scores and scores of times. No thank you, I'll take their word - and George Washington's wisdom - over yours.
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lol what?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
So it was every interrogator from WWII?



It negates your argument that this is political.



That was two examples? Cake and pie didn't work with them, either. Does that mean being nice never works?



lol what?
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Then fine - we're done here. We will have to agree to disagree.
 
So, for clarity, it was not all- or even most, or even a large minority of- WWII interrogators. It was some people with interrogation experience.

And a variety of methods didn't work with KSM or Abu Zubaydah, so it would be illogical to say that only one is generally ineffective based upon those experiences. By that criteria, all methods of interrogation and elicitation are ineffective.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I notice how you were all over me for being on a different subject, and said not one word to the other guy who's also on the same subject I am. Oh, that's right - I'm the liberal, therefore it must be my fault. Very good, guy.
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Nah...

You don't have to be so defensive. It's not only because you are a liberal. I mean, that's part of it, but mainly it's because this is your thread. One would think you'd want to stay on topic in your own thread, right?

Or, maybe you don't like the way this thread has gone for you, so you would rather talk about anything but the topic. That's how liberals often react...as I mentioned in the previous post.
 

No, that's simply an ad hominem attack on your part. A guy from the side you don't like does something that - if you take the opportunity to harp on it - supposedly scores points for you - "see, that's the way they all are!" Reminds me of what my fellow racists of my youth would do whenever they saw a black guy do something even the least bit wrong or questionable - "see, that's the way they all are!"
 
Hahaha the first African-american president the first thing he does is bomb a African nation. However to be honest he is surrounded by powerful right wingers influencing his decisions so cant place all blame on Obama and his faults have been highlighted by right wing media while many of bushes were ignored he seemed so genuine before he came to power
 
But in reality many conservatives are the biggest idealistic out there they a philosophical using idealism to hide there corrupt ideology about society
 
truth seeker? said:
But in reality many conservatives are the biggest idealistic out there they a philosophical using idealism to hide there corrupt ideology about society
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Ummm....Okaaayyyy.

So what does all that have to do with what I said?
 

LOL!! Nice try, dude, but I didn't attack you at all. I only remarked on you running your own thread off topic and remembered where I had seen that kind of thing before.

Hell...now you are playing your race card. How's THAT for common liberal tactics, eh?
 

He makes an ad hominem attack and then claims he didn't do it while he describes exactly how he went about doing it...and then when I make a comparison of his actions that in no way even implied that he himself was racist, he accuses me of playing the race card.

Guy, you're just trolling. I'm done with you.
 
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