Banning the Burqa in the US? For or against?

[Rumpel]

Banning the Burqa in the US?

The wording of my other poll was rather unclear.
Here now comes a poll with a clearcut wording.

For or against a burqa-ban?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I would go for it if they also banned MAGA hats, just sayin'

 

[Tender Branson]

There are only like 5 women in the US wearing a Burqa.

The Burqa is the thing used in Afghanistan, that covers the face like a bag.

Do you probably mean the Niqab - which more women are wearing ?

 

[Rumpel]

2 voters

1 x >>> I am for a burqa-ban in the US
1 x >>> I am against a burqa-ban in the US

 

[Rumpel]

There are only like 5 women in the US wearing a Burqa.

I doubt it.
Are you sure?

 

[Rumpel]

Do you probably mean the Niqab - which more women are wearing ?

I mean both

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Banning the Burqa in the US?

The wording of my other poll was rather unclear.
Here now comes a poll with a clearcut wording.

For or against a burqa-ban?

This means any religious wear can be banned. That might be constitutionally problematic.

 

[Rawley]

I would go for it if they also banned MAGA hats, just sayin'

You can't control being triggered by a hat? Sad.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Banning the Burqa in the US?

The wording of my other poll was rather unclear.
Here now comes a poll with a clearcut wording.

For or against a burqa-ban?

I voted against

 

[Rumpel]

Burqa can be seen as: niqab and/or burqa

 

[Rumpel]

I would go for it if they also banned MAGA hats, just sayin'

Once a again: a stupid and unfunny remark.

 

[Tender Branson]

Rumpel,

I come from the city of Zell am See, which somehow turned into a Mecca for Arab tourists in the past 10 years.

Arab tourists see my lakeside city as some sort of "paradise, as described in the Koran".

Therefore, we have seen about 300.000 Arab tourists here in the years before Covid (basically none now).

Some came fully veiled with Niqabs (the conservative middle-class people), some women were wearing fancy, stylish Hijabs (upper-middle-class) and other women were not veiled at all.

Austria banned the face-coverings a few years ago (quite ironic now that we all had to wear masks).

Arab tourist women who veiled their faces had to pay 50-150€ if police stopped them. So they paid, and later put their veil back on, when the police were gone. Good money for the police.

Anyway, such a law is unenforceable.

 

[Lursa]

I dont understand why anyone would want it banned? (I also dont understand why any woman would wear it but if it made her feel comfortable and in compliance with her religion, that's up to her.)

OTOH, in terms of security, the wearer in this country should still be required to provide the means for positive identification and I dont know what else would be useful except for photo ID And they should also be available to the same search procedures as other people.

Maybe if they improve instantaneous fingerprinting technology? Retinal scan?

 

[Rumpel]

The situation in France:

The French ban on face covering (French: LOI n° 2010-1192: Loi interdisant la dissimulation du visage dans l'espace public,[1] "Law of 2010-1192: Act prohibiting concealment of the face in public space") is an act of parliament passed by the Senate of France on 14 September 2010, resulting in the ban on the wearing of face-covering headgear, including masks, helmets or hijabs, balaclavas, niqābs and other veils covering the face in public places, except under specified circumstances. The ban also applies to the burqa, a full-body covering, if it covers the face. Consequently, full body costumes and Zentais (skin-tight garments covering entire body) were banned. The bill had previously been passed by the National Assembly of France on 13 July 2010.[2] In April 2011, France became the first European country to impose a ban on full-face veils in public areas.[3]

Public debate exacerbated concerns over immigration, nationalism, secularism, security, and sexuality.[4] Arguments supporting this proposal include that face coverings prevent the clear identification of a person (which may be a security risk, or a social hindrance within a society which relies on facial recognition and expression in communication), that the alleged forcing of women to cover their faces is sexist, and that Muslims who continue this practice should be forced to assimilate into traditional French social norms. Arguments against include that the ban encroaches on individual freedoms,[5] and that it discriminates against interpretations of Islam that require or encourage women to wear face coverings, that it takes away the choice of women to decide whether to dress according to a particular standard of modesty, and prevents anonymity in situations where it might be socially or personally desirable. Opponents accused President Nicolas Sarkozy of fostering Islamophobia and using the law for political gain.[4] Research shows that the headscarf ban reduced the economic and social integration of Muslim women into French society.[6][7]

French ban on face covering - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rumpel]

Anyway, such a law is unenforceable.

In France it seems to be enforcable.

 

[Tender Branson]

In France it seems to be enforcable.

France has more problems as a result though if you force bans down their throats -> terrorism.

The Austrian solution is more practical: ban the veils by law, fine them as often as possible and prop up the police piggy bank with their tourist money. The wealthy tourists don't mind and we got the money.

 

[TheParser]

Let them dress anyway they want.

Just make it illegal to cover their face when dealing with the police.

In general, people should studiously ignore how they dress.

And that will really make them more angry than if one criticized them for their clothes.

 

[Rumpel]

Banning the burqa in Denmark:

The legislation allows people to cover their face when there is a “recognisable purpose” such as cold weather or complying with other legal requirements, for example using motorcycle helmets under Danish traffic rules.

Those violating the law risk a fine of 1,000 kroner (£118). Repeat offenders could be fined up to 10,000 kroner.

Austria, France and Belgium have similar laws.

Denmark passes law banning burqa and niqab

Campaigners say ban violates rights to freedom of expression and religion

www.theguardian.com

 

[Callen]

As a Canadian, I can only speak to my thoughts as it relates to Canada and I do not think it should be banned. I also don't think Mennonite women should have to remove their bonnets nor do I think Hasidic Jews should have to cut their locks. etc..etc.
However, I do believe that the veil must be removed for purposes of identification such as boarding a plane, appearing in court, drivers liscences and for mug shots etc.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I would certainly support that!!!

What the one poster said about a maga hat ban I mean.

Sign me up!!!

 

[Rumpel]

Banning the burqa in Switzerland:

Switzerland has narrowly voted in favour of banning face coverings in public, including the burka or niqab worn by Muslim women.
Official results showed the measure had passed by 51.2% to 48.8% in Sunday's referendum.

Switzerland referendum: Voters support ban on face coverings in public

The referendum, brought by a far-right party, could affect Muslim women who wear the burka or niqab.

www.bbc.com

 

[Rumpel]

I also don't think Mennonite women should have to remove their bonnets nor do I think Hasidic Jews should have to cut their locks. etc..etc.

How can you compare the burqa with these cases?
I suspect you have no idea what a real burqa is?

 

[Fledermaus]

Banning the Burqa in the US?

The wording of my other poll was rather unclear.
Here now comes a poll with a clearcut wording.

For or against a burqa-ban?

This is America.

Hell ****ing no.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

You can't control being triggered by a hat? Sad.

if you mean me rolling around laughing my head off at the absurd look of a man on a MAGA hat, then I am guilty as charged.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Once a again: a stupid and unfunny remark.