politicalman58
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Old and wise said:Not to mention the fact that there would be a revolution in this country if abortion were banned. And I would be a part of it.
Hornburger said:The real question concerning abortion is how much people would get deterred to get an abortion by an abortion law. I think people on the whole would be deterred because people can be greatly deterred if they can be prosecuted by the law. With a child's life in question, one would think people would go through with the abortion whether it is legal or not. However, I do not think this is the approach most people would take because of the law's great influence on people. If it is illegal, less people would probably have the abortion.
Hornburger said:The real question concerning abortion is how much people would get deterred to get an abortion by an abortion law. I think people on the whole would be deterred because people can be greatly deterred if they can be prosecuted by the law. With a child's life in question, one would think people would go through with the abortion whether it is legal or not. However, I do not think this is the approach most people would take because of the law's great influence on people. If it is illegal, less people would probably have the abortion.
Hornburger said:...they could have took birth pills or refrained from having sex.
Hornburger said:On that question, I would say the unborn citizen. The child didn't do anything wrong and didn't have any choice in the matter, but the adult DID have a choice, they could have took birth pills or refrained from having sex.
I do believe abortion is murder, it is the murder of a living human, and therefore aborters should be criminilized for that action.
Hornburger said:No, of course not, but in rape cases it should be legalized. I know it is difficult to tell if one has been raped or not, but on the whole, these kind of cases are rare. Because of their difficulty to prove, however, there would need to be sufficient evidence available in order to prove one's guilt so the victim can abort the baby.
Those things you mention are entirely different, they only deal with the effect on yourself and aren't real "crimes" until the person takes it to another level. Abortion is the act of murder. Will we not prosecute murder now because it saves jail space? There is a big difference between harm done to one's self alone and harm done to someone else.ngdawg said:Now you're getting into semantics on the assumption that things would flow accordingly. That just doesn't happen.
Abortions actually have been legal off and on since the Romans owned a piece of Palestine. The recognition that women have rights to what happens to their bodies was a long time coming to begin with in this country; to rescind at this point would be archaic at best and at worst, cause for unrest, overload of court systems, increase the crimes of illegal medical practice, etc.
We have to deal with what and who are here, ensure their rights are recognized as contributing members of society and have the best medical, legal and educational information available so that the choices made are half-way intelligent ones.
Prohibition didn't work; it MADE more crime. The so called 'war on drugs' is an abysmal failure on every level. Gun laws aren't even foolproof. Banning something doesn't make it go away, it just makes the lowest level of opportunists thrive.
Hornburger said:How many times must I say this? This is a different situation than drugs. Drugs only deal with a harmful effect on the user! Abortion deals with the death of an innocent.
ehh, I did delete that reply you quoted because I later thought I misconceived ngdawg's point. But it still works I guess.In Your Opinion.....this is the key to every freakin one of these threads. Just because one person truly believes an embryo is an innocent Human life....does not mean everyone believes this. And everyone does not. So, we come to the Jist of this debate:
Is it OK for you to force an opinion on another person, which will effect the well being of said individual. Bearing in mind that the actions of this person will have no effect whatsoever on yourself?
Your claim is false. Murder is the illegal killing of a person. Abortion is legal and the embryo is not a person. So your claim is false.Hornburger said:Abortion is the act of murder.
What of society's vlaue of opposing slavery, of opposing the control of another person's body against their will?And about what you said the values of choice and control, what about society's value of life?
And you can have that opinion. SHould your opinion be legislated?Hornburger said:Anyway, yes, that is my opinion that it is a human life.
And it is best for society that women's control of their bodies be taken away, that they are made slaves?I don't recall me forcing my opinions on anyone else, I was only saying my opinion on what I feel would be best for society as a whole.
As 3 of every 5 women will have an abortion in their lifetime, it affects A LOT of Americans.It does not necessarily have to benefit me, illegalizing abortion hurts me, not helps me. But I still think it would be right to illegalize it. It is a huge deal to me? No, because it does not affect as many Americans like other issues do. But it is still my opinion on the subject.
Hornburger said:On that question, I would say the unborn citizen. The child didn't do anything wrong and didn't have any choice in the matter, but the adult DID have a choice, they could have took birth pills or refrained from having sex.
I do believe abortion is murder, it is the murder of a living human, and therefore aborters should be criminilized for that action.
Hornburger said:On that question, I would say the unborn citizen. The child didn't do anything wrong and didn't have any choice in the matter, but the adult DID have a choice, they could have took birth pills or refrained from having sex.
I do believe abortion is murder, it is the murder of a living human, and therefore aborters should be criminilized for that action.
ngdawg said:Birth control is not 100% effective...both men and women can and do have strong reproductive systems, strong enough that BC pills can and do, on occasion, fail. Condoms break...abstinence is the only 100% effective method and, let's face it, not many practice it past a certain age.
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