Ban All Old Racist Books & Movies?

So your little rug rat sees "Gone With The Wind" for the first time. What is her/his opinion of it? Since the reparations for slavery movement is still alive does America owe the blacks the effort to remove "Uncle Remus" type materials from all shelves and all old movies (30's & up)depicting blacks as "not real smart"? If it is deflamatory why is it allowed to be aired or available in libraries? If a film or novel was created today with similar depictions would not there be serious challenges to them? Is it freedom of speech or racial slander? Imus said "nap headed hoe's" and he was gone in a week why then do we see movies where white folks kill one hundred indians with a single six shooter to prevent them from raping white womern? In the 30's and up the only time you saw a black face in a movie was in gangster movies where the star went to prison. The prisons always showed blacks in them. Others only depicted as doormen and waiters and shoe shiners. Is this good that we maintain this form of entertainment?

rhinefire said:

So your little rug rat sees "Gone With The Wind" for the first time. What is her/his opinion of it? Since the reparations for slavery movement is still alive does America owe the blacks the effort to remove "Uncle Remus" type materials from all shelves and all old movies (30's & up)depicting blacks as "not real smart"? If it is deflamatory why is it allowed to be aired or available in libraries? If a film or novel was created today with similar depictions would not there be serious challenges to them? Is it freedom of speech or racial slander? Imus said "nap headed hoe's" and he was gone in a week why then do we see movies where white folks kill one hundred indians with a single six shooter to prevent them from raping white womern? In the 30's and up the only time you saw a black face in a movie was in gangster movies where the star went to prison. The prisons always showed blacks in them. Others only depicted as doormen and waiters and shoe shiners. Is this good that we maintain this form of entertainment?

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If we as a people ever supported hiding or coloring or editing or censoring history you should know we would have reached and exceeded the tipping point. We would be screwed and our time as a free society would be drawing nigh.

Your idea may be well intentioned but it is like keeping your children locked up in a closet until they are 18 so you can protect them from the bad things in life. The minute you do that you are screwed.

rhinefire said:

So your little rug rat sees "Gone With The Wind" for the first time. What is her/his opinion of it? Since the reparations for slavery movement is still alive does America owe the blacks the effort to remove "Uncle Remus" type materials from all shelves and all old movies (30's & up)depicting blacks as "not real smart"? If it is deflamatory why is it allowed to be aired or available in libraries? If a film or novel was created today with similar depictions would not there be serious challenges to them? Is it freedom of speech or racial slander?

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Silly. Uncle Rhemus stories are stories collected from ex-slaves in the Southern United States. To try and destroy any piece of them is like trying to destroy the very fabric of black history in this country. It would be like somebody trying to omit the fact that Malcolm X was a pimp before becoming the man he went on to be. It's silly.

Imus said "nap headed hoe's" and he was gone in a week

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I already explained why he was fired. It wasn't a double standard. It was the fact that his comments alienated the wrong crowd. If Ann Coulter all the sudden went on one of her famous rants but instead of dissing liberals she dissed neo-cons she would never be heard of again. Guaranteed. Not a double standard. You don't alienate the customer unless you can afford it. Case and point Howard Stern. He could tell his fans they were pricks and they'd still love him.

why then do we see movies where white folks kill one hundred indians with a single six shooter to prevent them from raping white womern? In the 30's and up the only time you saw a black face in a movie was in gangster movies where the star went to prison. The prisons always showed blacks in them.

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And they still do... your point?

Others only depicted as doormen and waiters and shoe shiners. Is this good that we maintain this form of entertainment?

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Do we continue to depict blacks as nothing more then doormen and waiters/shoe shiners? Doesn't 24 have a black president in it? This whole thing is silly. Banning racist literature or films is down right silly.

I agree with Hatuey and others here. 'Cleansing' history to satisfy current sensibilities is nothing more than historical revisionism in the guise of political correctness. There are many fanatics who would like nothing more than to have selected evidencial materials expunged from both history and memory.

Well it shows what attitudes were like at the time.Why is there this obbsession with protecting kids from stuff in order to teach children right from wrong you have to tell them what the wrong thing is first.

Besides anything what kid is gonna be watching gone with the wind if i had a 10 year old and found him watching it i would be more worried that he was watching a never ending boring black and white film thats like the first sign they will get bullied at school.

How does the effort to ban the "N" word fit in here? In Pearland, Tx they buried a coffin with the N word in it as a symbol. According to the July 7 Houston Chronicle the effort is now nationwide. In Brazoria county,TX they passed an ordinance making it a misdemeanor crime and even new York city has made it a non-binding resolution. Ebony Magazine july issue addresses this as well. While this may appear symbolic today what will it lead to tomorrow? If they succeed in banning this word what other words or deeds will fall in behind?

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How does the effort to ban the "N" word fit in here? In Pearland, Tx they buried a coffin with the N word in it as a symbol. According to the July 7 Houston Chronicle the effort is now nationwide. In Brazoria county,TX they passed an ordinance making it a misdemeanor crime and even new York city has made it a non-binding resolution. Ebony Magazine july issue addresses this as well. While this may appear symbolic today what will it lead to tomorrow? If they succeed in banning this word what other words or deeds will fall in behind?

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Its unconstitutional.

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Its unconstitutional.

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Is it? You may be right but I'm willing to give this time. We can just sit back and see. it may sound scary but there are times when I think we need to re-examine the constitution. Imagine the political scholar battles on that one.

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Is it? You may be right but I'm willing to give this time. We can just sit back and see. it may sound scary but there are times when I think we need to re-examine the constitution. Imagine the political scholar battles on that one.

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Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech.

It's served us well so far, I think.

rhinefire said:

How does the effort to ban the "N" word fit in here? In Pearland, Tx they buried a coffin with the N word in it as a symbol. According to the July 7 Houston Chronicle the effort is now nationwide. In Brazoria county,TX they passed an ordinance making it a misdemeanor crime and even new York city has made it a non-binding resolution. Ebony Magazine july issue addresses this as well. While this may appear symbolic today what will it lead to tomorrow? If they succeed in banning this word what other words or deeds will fall in behind?

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Would you mind providing some kind of link to the thing happened in Pearland? Really interested in reading about that.

I dunno about that particular thing buti think freedom of speech is paramount its restricted but there should never be a view, opinion, belief that is blocked from anyone being able to access.

I dont believe in any denile of peoples opinions be they extremely angry fundamentalist muslim cleric, a racist right winger, a crazy animal rights activist no matter what the cause is.

Until we are in a state when we no the right opinion on everything we cant ban anyones view no matter how crazy or insulting it is.

I remember one time in school a young african-american male just recently moved into our area and was taking our bus to school. For the first two or three months this guy would get on the bus like he owned the place. He would always yell and be obnoxious constantly. So when I stood up to him in a schoolbus full of people, I was quite surprised to see him back down from me.

A few years later, I was going down to circuit city to pick something up. I was looking for a parking spot when this black chic and her mom were just walking down the middle of the parking lot between the spaces. Well, screw that ... Im in a big *** car, and youre walking around randomly. Naturally, I wasn't about to stop. I didn't. When she jumped out of the way, she called me a "monkey"-- Im guessing because I buzz my hair off and wear earrings in each ear.

Skip ahead to the time when my dad went to a classical concert show. he took his girlfriend out to a bar and on the way out he was held at knife point by a young african american. The guy asked for my dads money and, of course, my dad refused. So this guy went to stab my dad in the neck. He missed when my dad put his arm up and the knife cut my dad from his elbow to his wrist. His vein was cut into two pieces and so was a nerve.


I am not racist. All I am saying is that if you want to be accepted, at least in Buffalo, it might help to start accepting responsibility for what you've done. From our perspective, the african-americans are the racists. sadly there are quite a few color-minded people here where I live and it is all very very sickening to me.

My papa, my uncle, and all their friends, and all of their friends... they are all, sadly, racists. But each and every one of them believes in that because they believe the opposite to be immoral and unjust. These people grew up in attrocious and unorthodox conditions that still remain in theory.


Take responsibility. Or else this will never end. It will be an endless continuous cycle.

you don't believe me? A few months ago my little cousin stabbed an african-american kid his age for not leaving him alone after he was asked 50 million times to do so. My cousin is 10 years old.

I remember one time in school a young african-american male just recently moved into our area and was taking our bus to school. For the first two or three months this guy would get on the bus like he owned the place. He would always yell and be obnoxious constantly. So when I stood up to him in a schoolbus full of people, I was quite surprised to see him back down from me.

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What's the point of this story, that bullies generally back down when confronted or young african americans should meekly sit in the back of the bus?

A few years later, I was going down to circuit city to pick something up. I was looking for a parking spot when this black chic and her mom were just walking down the middle of the parking lot between the spaces. Well, screw that ... Im in a big *** car, and youre walking around randomly. Naturally, I wasn't about to stop. I didn't. When she jumped out of the way, she called me a "monkey"-- Im guessing because I buzz my hair off and wear earrings in each ear.

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Pedestrians have right of way and there are no sidewalks in parking lots.

Naturally, I wasn't about to stop. I didn't

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You threatened her with a car what did you want her to do, grovel and say thank you? You're lucky you weren't spotted by a security officer and arrested.

Skip ahead to the time when my dad went to a classical concert show. he took his girlfriend out to a bar and on the way out he was held at knife point by a young african american. The guy asked for my dads money and, of course, my dad refused. So this guy went to stab my dad in the neck. He missed when my dad put his arm up and the knife cut my dad from his elbow to his wrist. His vein was cut into two pieces and so was a nerve.

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How much money was in his wallet that putting his and his girlfriends life at risk was necessary? Next time his life is threatened, you might want to tell him to just hand over the money.:roll:

I am not racist.

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Not racist, really reread what you wrote and the manner in which you wrote it, it screams racist to me.

All I am saying is that if you want to be accepted, at least in Buffalo,

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Accepted in Buffalo? By whom? Your racist father and friends? Seriously.

it might help to start accepting responsibility for what you've done.

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:rofl That is just too funny... accept responsibility for what? Being loud on buses, calling you names when you threaten them with a car? I was married in Buffalo, I never had any bad experiences there with anybody of any colour.

From our perspective, the african-americans are the racists. sadly there are quite a few color-minded people here where I live and it is all very very sickening to me.

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I'm sure there are some who may be but the majority of racism stems from white people in this country. There is also a huge difference between distrusting someone of a race that has notoriously treated people like oneself badly and outright racism that stems from thinking oneself is better because of the colour of one's skin.

My papa, my uncle, and all their friends, and all of their friends... they are all, sadly, racists. But each and every one of them believes in that because they believe the opposite to be immoral and unjust. These people grew up in attrocious and unorthodox conditions that still remain in theory.

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Pardon???

you don't believe me?

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No, actually I don't.

Borders Books just pulled from its shelves the book Tin Tin in the Congo, which is one of the most rascist books ever written. They had been selling it to children, which provoked quite an outrage in the black community.

I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, the book is nothing but repulsive. However, there is an argument on the other side to keep books like this available, which has to do with people who make the dumb claim that rascism is something on our past, and who tell us that it no longer exists, despite the fact that you still see it every day, whether it is a dragging death of a black man in Texas, the symbolic lynching of students in Louisiana, red lining in neighborhoods in the north, or even the selling of disgusting books to children by Borders. All these incidents are from the 21st Century. Do people know better now? Has racial bias been overcome? Has hate been eliminated? Are we all equal under the law? No, no, no, and hell no. Rascism is a cancer that still eats at the fabric of our society, and until it is REALLY eliminated, it needs to be seen for what it is.

If bookstores pull a book or refuse to stock it that's their business. If a library refuses to have a book on their shelf, that's their business. If the government passes a law that says no book they disapprove of can be sold, displayed, loaned, or possessed then that's my business.

Oh, gee, first suggestion of bookburning sicnce the nazis, before that by the church of scientific notions that the earth revolves around the sun, instead of vice versa! Have at it, brownshirts! No, here's a better idea: don't like what your watching? Welllllllllll, there's this marvelous invention called the "Off" button...............

I'm going to pretend that the Country's interests resemble that of the same Hyper Sensitive Easily Offended Cry Babies that managed to stir enough animosity (yes, animosity) towards Imus. So with that in mind, if the General Public felt that it's okay to ban racially offensive material, it would still be wrong and the General Public wouldn't be right in suggesting ban for a few reasons.

1) If it really is "bad", then these examples need to be available and be allowed access to. Who would ever know how bad anything is if there is no on demand proof of it? I wouldn't take someone's word for it would you?

2) This will just help support the trend in changing and removing things because someone finds offense. I remember a good episode of South Park having to do with Christmas where in the town they had to get rid of any Nativity Scene because it offended Jews and they had to get rid of Santa stuff because it offended the Christians and they had to get rid Christmas Trees because it offended environmentalists and so on and so forth. This was only done in 22 minutes but I'm sure in real time and in real life this is very plausible. Think about it, if you feel offended, you have power. Then again, we might ban censorship because it's offensive and it is! Hell, the self-righteousness from so-called "tolerance" offends me.

3) During World War 2 there were many cartoons that attacked the Japanese and the Germans and put them in very many stereotypical situations and most networks will not show them because of the people it may offend. Well, screw those people. These cartoons help show how America felt during World War 2. 30 years from now are we going to ban the Cartoons that picked on Jihadists and Militant Muslims since they are usually paired with Arab and Muslim stereotypes? Please, any of these cartoons do a great job in validating the history of our culture, as do many of our movies. Also, cartoons depicting blacks negatively back then is no different than how the media is portraying blacks today, as ig-nent gangbangin niggaz who like to chill with their favorite rap station, a 40 of beer and a blunt as they baby momma take dey child support skrilla. Then again, there's an entire sub-culture of blacks who find pride in this. Everything will someday be historically relevent.