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I notice most of the folks who think the police are innocent are also racists so of course the black guy is guilty.
Race card duty noted. Many of us don't think the police are innocent, maybe not of murder, but more manslaughter. Sorry if evidence gets in the way of your agenda.
Right. Because "I ate too many drugs!" makes way more sense for someone to be screaming while being pinned by four police officers than, oh, I don't know, maybe "I ain't do any drugs!"
Well then that seals the deal ,doesn't it?Let's not forget that both autopsies confirmed that Floyd's death was due to asphyxiation, not from any narcotics in his system.
OK, so why didn't they if they were in fear for their safety?That would be in addition too, not in lieu of...the idea is to use a taser to have George stop resisting arrest so they can subdue him.
He had no reason to kill him once he was on the floor in cuffs.
How is the defense going to question those findings? A third autopsy, maybe, and be embarrassed again?Well then that seals the deal ,doesn't it?
No sense having the defense question those findings,. That never happens in a trial.
Well then that seals the deal ,doesn't it?
No sense having the defense question those findings,. That never happens in a trial.
Nope.Oh, lets not forget the Defence has yet to bring their case to refute the autopsy findings. Which in several cases refute each other. One in which the preliminary autopsy which shows a variety of causes that lead to his death. As well as the final autopsy, by the same man, does not find asphyxia as the cause of death.
OK, so why didn't they if they were in fear for their safety?
Don't pop the champagne just yet.Oh, lets not forget the Defence has yet to bring their case to refute the autopsy findings. Which in several cases refute each other. One in which the preliminary autopsy which shows a variety of causes that lead to his death. As well as the final autopsy, by the same man, does not find asphyxia as the cause of death.
that is the message here, pretty sick isn't it?
Let's not forget that both autopsies confirmed that Floyd's death was due to asphyxiation, not from any narcotics in his system.
So your training in forensic pathology was, when?"Then for the first time in my recollection Nelson touched on the fact that the medical examiner found no damage to Floyd’s neck whatever. Wouldn’t you expect damage if the weight place on the neck was substantial. Stiger prudently declined to offer an opinion.
And then Nelson used a little trick we’ve seen him use with other witnesses. That’s fine, he said, I get it. Better for us to ask a doctor that, right? Right, agreed Stiger.
Anybody doubt Nelson has a doctor lined up to say exactly that, and that the jury will perceive that even the state’s own use-of-force expert witness believes that the doctor’s opinion is more credible than the state’s expert?"
OOPS
I can't believe you OP Klattu and much less believe how unbelievably wrong you are that this hurts the prosecution.Chauvin Trial Day 8 Wrap-Up: “I Ate Too Many Drugs” Video May Be Game-Changer
Once again the defense weaponizes prosecution 'expert' witnesses against the prosecution case.legalinsurrection.com
Then Nelson scored what many may perceive to be an important point, albeit I’m rather ambivalent about this one. Nelson played a short piece of video in which Floyd is prone on the street, and speaking in his muttering fashion.
What’s Floyd saying there, asked Nelson? Is he saying “I ate too many drugs”? Stiger answers he can’t tell.
No worries, Nelson is happy to play it again for Stiger. And the jury.
Stiger is still unsure if that’s what Floyd was saying, and Nelson lets it go—but the jury has heard the suggestion.
Later in the day, with a different witness, BCA Special Agent Reyerson, whose testimony I won’t spend much time on because it was so boring, Nelson would play the same video, and ask the same question. This time, the witness will agree—yes, Reyerson answers, it sounds like “I ate too many drugs” to m
Ka. Boom.
So damaging was this Reyerson testimony for the state that they actually re-called Reyerson as a witness for the sole reason of having him listen again, and give a different answer. Oh, now, says Reyerson the second, now it sounds like “I didn’t take no drugs.”
Well, OK. As I said, I’m ambivalent about Floyd’s statement on the merits, because I sure can’t understand what he’s actually saying. Although it must be said Nelson’s version will certainly appear reasonable to a jury that’s been exposed to the toxicology report on Floyd.
But in terms of legal strategy by the defense, this was brilliant. Not only did Nelson plant that seed in the jury’s mind that Floyd had eaten too many drugs and knew it, he got to play the audio for Stiger not once, but twice.
And then again a third time, for Reyerson.
And then the state itself played it for the jury a fourth time!
Amazing.
Don't worry. The penalty for killing a black guy will be minimal, even if they jury convicts.Even if he said I ain't do no drugs, we know for sure that's a lie.
That doesn't do the prosecution any favors.
I don't think the statement -whatver it was- makes much differend if the ME testifies had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system.
Oh, lets not forget the Defence has yet to bring their case to refute the autopsy findings. Which in several cases refute each other. One in which the preliminary autopsy which shows a variety of causes that lead to his death. As well as the final autopsy, by the same man, does not find asphyxia as the cause of death.
What you have to understand is the facts of the case don't matter. In fact, the leftwing puppet masters magnifying this whole episode would be thrilled for an acquittal. Then, more outrage, more riots. Gets us that much closer to the collapse and takeover.Chauvin Trial Day 8 Wrap-Up: “I Ate Too Many Drugs” Video May Be Game-Changer
Once again the defense weaponizes prosecution 'expert' witnesses against the prosecution case.legalinsurrection.com
Then Nelson scored what many may perceive to be an important point, albeit I’m rather ambivalent about this one. Nelson played a short piece of video in which Floyd is prone on the street, and speaking in his muttering fashion.
What’s Floyd saying there, asked Nelson? Is he saying “I ate too many drugs”? Stiger answers he can’t tell.
No worries, Nelson is happy to play it again for Stiger. And the jury.
Stiger is still unsure if that’s what Floyd was saying, and Nelson lets it go—but the jury has heard the suggestion.
Later in the day, with a different witness, BCA Special Agent Reyerson, whose testimony I won’t spend much time on because it was so boring, Nelson would play the same video, and ask the same question. This time, the witness will agree—yes, Reyerson answers, it sounds like “I ate too many drugs” to m
Ka. Boom.
So damaging was this Reyerson testimony for the state that they actually re-called Reyerson as a witness for the sole reason of having him listen again, and give a different answer. Oh, now, says Reyerson the second, now it sounds like “I didn’t take no drugs.”
Well, OK. As I said, I’m ambivalent about Floyd’s statement on the merits, because I sure can’t understand what he’s actually saying. Although it must be said Nelson’s version will certainly appear reasonable to a jury that’s been exposed to the toxicology report on Floyd.
But in terms of legal strategy by the defense, this was brilliant. Not only did Nelson plant that seed in the jury’s mind that Floyd had eaten too many drugs and knew it, he got to play the audio for Stiger not once, but twice.
And then again a third time, for Reyerson.
And then the state itself played it for the jury a fourth time!
Amazing.
Nope.
Two autopsies both find George Floyd died by homicide, but differ on some key details
The county medical examiner and independent forensic pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family both released autopsy reports.www.cbsnews.com
But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent." A preliminary autopsy report cited earlier by prosecutors said the county medical examiner's review "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."
The report states that there were no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation. It also states that Mr. Floyd had some underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. Finally, the preliminary autopsy report states that the contributing factors to Mr. Floyd's death are a combination of the restraint by the ex-officer, underlying health conditions, and potential intoxicants. It states that these are likely the cause of death.
"Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.
The facts don't matter to you, you mean. By the way, aren't you also black? I seem to recall you telling the forum that you are.What you have to understand is the facts of the case don't matter. In fact, the leftwing puppet masters magnifying this whole episode would be thrilled for an acquittal. Then, more outrage, more riots. Gets us that much closer to the collapse and takeover.
Homicide was ruled the cause of death in both cases.Yep, in spades..
Preliminary autopsy report:
Medical Examiners notes on fentanyl found in his system:
Reasonable doubt all over the place.
Homicide was ruled the cause of death in both cases.
Two autopsies both find George Floyd died by homicide, but differ on some key details
The county medical examiner and independent forensic pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family both released autopsy reports.www.cbsnews.com County Officials Rule George Floyd Death Was A Homicide
A new official autopsy, released on the heels of one commissioned by Floyd's family, says he died due to "cardiopulmonary arrest." It also noted neck compression, heart disease and drug use.www.npr.org
It's still homicide.A finding of homicide doesn't necessarily make it murder and doesn't rule out manslaughter. That is determined in a court of law, not an autopsy report.
DAILY ChuckleHow is the defense going to question those findings?
Even if he said I ain't do no drugs, we know for sure that's a lie.
That doesn't do the prosecution any favors.
I don't think the statement -whatver it was- makes much differend if the ME testifies had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system.
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