None. Same sex marriage is illegal, which puts it at a greater level of scrutiny for the states to defend their position on it furthering a state interest.
And DOMA violates many Amendments/rights, for much the same reasons that the state anti-same sex marriage laws do.
Why should the government bestow benefits to an individual or couple because of their life choices?
Were you forced to fall in love and marry your wife?
If not, then it was a choice.
Why do you get to choose your partner and someone else not?
Then call your relationship a marriage. Just don't expect me to recognize it as such. Because THAT is not your right.
Gay marriage is NOT illegal - IN ANY STATE - reason? because there are no laws against gay marriage.
Were you forced to fall in love and marry your wife?
If not, then it was a choice.
Why do you get to choose your partner and someone else not?
Non sequitur. We see time and time again that polygamous and incestual relationships do not involve consenting adults in non-abusive relationships. We see that throughout history and even today. And those who violate the rights of others, do not deserve to have the ability to marry. Should, let's say, there be such a relationship that falls into one of those categories that is not abusive, is between consenting persons, and involves those who have reach an age of majority -- perhaps that should become a discussion that society ought to have. However, that has nothing to do with this discussion right now.Who the hell are you to say two loving and willing people cant marry??? Sounds familiar to your argument right? I suppose it is a different story when you have an opinion on marriage?
if were are looking at DOMA itself...no it does not.
Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Same sex marriage is not recognized in 30 states at least. Yes, there are many state laws against two people of the same sex getting married and that is gender discrimination.
Actually, yes it is a right to call a marriage a marriage.
Just for the record, I am in a legal marriage to a man. I support the right of same sex couples to be able to enter into marriages just like I was able to do because there is no reason to deny them that.
Does government not have an interest in fostering families based on healthy partnerships?I would have married her whether or not there was a benefit. This is what most don't understand. Why do you think the government has any business bestowing benefits for acting in any manner?
Prove it...
List citations instead of "claiming" X,Y and Z...
Does government not have an interest in fostering families based on healthy partnerships?
Andnit is your right to recognize their relationship any way you want. But it is not your right to force me to recognize it the same way.
So a minority group is justified in changing the definition of a word used to describe the relationships of the majority and that is NOT descrimination? I think it's about time we stopped pandering to every special interest group that CLAIMS to want equality but in reality wants to be "specialer" than everyone else. Here's a tip for you. Your "right" to be special ends at your ability to alter the definition of the word that describes my relationship with my wife. And don't give me the I'm not allowed in the ICU BS. That is not a federal law, it is a hospital policy. I own a business, I'll let you in on a little secret. A policy is a rule made by an administrator for them to hide behind. Nothing more. Federal agents will not prevent you from entering a wing of the hospital. Find a gay doctor or administrator, don't be a douchebag and you might just charm your way in. Thing is, when your particular club expects the world to change for them you come off as douchebags, in which case we point at the sign on the wall and say "I'm sorry, it's policy and I can't do anything about it."
I have a sign in my office that states that due to insurance policies customers are not allowed in the shop. It's not true. It's there for me to be able to keep douchebags out of my workspace. So if you insist on changing the meaning of a wordnto mean something it doesn't, you can have a seat in the office. Sorry, it's company policy. I can't do anything about it.
Does government not have an interest in fostering families based on healthy partnerships?
No...
Non sequitur. We see time and time again that polygamous and incestual relationships do not involve consenting adults in non-abusive relationships. We see that throughout history and even today. And those who violate the rights of others, do not deserve to have the ability to marry. Should, let's say, there be such a relationship that falls into one of those categories that is not abusive, is between consenting persons, and involves those who have reach an age of majority -- perhaps that should become a discussion that society ought to have. However, that has nothing to do with this discussion right now.
Yes. They do.
That's all fine and good, but in reality Christians are marginalized regularly in this country while Muslims are feared and held as sacred. A law that is not enforced is useless.It is a guaranteed right of the US Constitution that citizens must be treated equally under the laws, regardless of their race, sex, religion, etc. unless the state is able to show a legitimate state interest is served by not treating groups equally.
Really, you don't know that there are many states that do not allow same sex couples to enter into a legal marriage? Defining Marriage: Defense of Marriage Acts and Same-Sex Marriage Laws NC was the last state to put into its constitution that marriage was between a man and a woman.
Mr. Nick is not an idiot. He knows full well how discrimination is directly written into our States' constitutions. Repeating that back to him ("proving it") is not going to advance the conversation in anyway.Prove it... List citations instead of "claiming" X,Y and Z...
Succinct and pithy.:thumbs:
Good evening, AP.:2wave:
You are actually crying about a words definition.
A string of letters that represent a sequence of sounds which conveys a concept?
And you expect to be taken seriously?
Gay marriage does no demonstrable harm to your marriage.
You have no right to a words definition. Where does the constitution grant you one?
Really, you don't know that there are many states that do not allow same sex couples to enter into a legal marriage?
Defining Marriage: Defense of Marriage Acts and Same-Sex Marriage Laws
NC was the last state to put into its constitution that marriage was between a man and a woman.
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