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AFP: Australia to hold constitutional referendum on AboriginesMELBOURNE — Australia Monday announced a national referendum on recognising the country's Aborigines in the constitution, in a bid to improve conditions for the chronically disadvantaged community.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard said Australia had a "once in 50-year opportunity" with parliamentary support and widespread public backing, three years after former leader Kevin Rudd's historic apology to the native people.
Aboriginal men have a life expectancy 11.5 years shorter than their non-Aboriginal counterparts. Aboriginal women die 9.7 years sooner than non-Aboriginal women.
So from that, it isn't likely to pass, but, aboriginals have a pretty good track record with referendums.Australia has not held a referendum since 1999, when a move to become a republic was rejected. In 44 referendums since 1901, only eight have passed.
The 1967 referendum elevating the status* of Aborigines is widely considered the country's most successful according to the government, with its 90.8 percent agreement the highest ever yes vote.
Not all gestures are empty. The First Australians' leaders seem positive and enthusiastic, what's the problem?I find this interesting, there is no doubt that the conditions of the indigenous population need to be improved.
But I am sceptical as to how recognition on the constitution will help, it seems to me to be an empty gesture, perhaps to gain the votes of the indigenous population.
Not all gestures are empty. The First Australians' leaders seem positive and enthusiastic, what's the problem?
Why do the aboriginals need to be mentioned specifically though? that's the bit I don't get, that, and the claims it'll improve their lot.
Source: BBC OnlineMs. Gillard said, "Recognition will demonstrate that we are a country that is united in acknowledging the unique and special place of our first peoples."
Aboriginal leaders say a positive result would have a "dramatic effect" on the community's self-esteem.
I didn't read any reference to 'improving their lot', but to the community's self-esteem. This is significant because some of the problems they face (alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence) can be linked to negative self image caused by their historically low social status.
Here's what I read:
Source: BBC Online
SAM WATSON: If you went to Aboriginal people right across Australia and asked them what they needed right now, they would be coming back and saying we need jobs, we need better housing, we need clean water, we need proper schools for our children. We need to have our kids feeling safe on the streets.
They would certainly not be saying, oh yeah we want to be mentioned in this Constitution.
While I will be voting for the change when the referendum rolls around, it'll be to give more validity to the accompanying reform, which are much more important.
You're right, of course. Better homes, better standard of health care and education, sanitation and a lot more jobs would make a much bigger change in living standards, but I can't see the constitutional amendment as a bad thing.
AFP: Australia to hold constitutional referendum on Aborigines
I find this interesting, there is no doubt that the conditions of the indigenous population need to be improved.
But I am sceptical as to how recognition on the constitution will help, it seems to me to be an empty gesture, perhaps to gain the votes of the indigenous population.
I found these quotes quite interesting.
So from that, it isn't likely to pass, but, aboriginals have a pretty good track record with referendums.
*By elevating the status, it means recognising them as human.
Had this attitude been taken 200 years ago, I might agree. I think being left to themselves would have suited them just fine. I've got a big problem with Europeans, having walked in, stolen ancestral lands and placed peoples in reservations, maintained in poverty, then arguing for 'just leaving indigenous peoples alone'. This is a bit like a house-breaker stripping a home and then offering the home-owner a burglar alarm.Reason being is that, if they are happy with their less technologically advanced groups, they should be left to themselves.
Even if they retain a lower life expectancy.
Had this attitude been taken 200 years ago, I might agree. I think being left to themselves would have suited them just fine. I've got a big problem with Europeans, having walked in, stolen ancestral lands and placed peoples in reservations, maintained in poverty, then arguing for 'just leaving indigenous peoples alone'. This is a bit like a house-breaker stripping a home and then offering the home-owner a burglar alarm.
There is still plenty of opportunity to continue this with existing aboriginal people.
Various communities around the globe still exist in this form.
I'm not exactly privy to the specific tribes of Australia but I would think a fair compromise could be worked out.
The thing about the aboriginal culture is the art, music and oral traditions are fantastic, however the child abuse, rapes and wife beating that also form a part of it, especially in rural communities, are not compatible with modern standards, and it's these that need to be rectified, and rather than cracking down on these with a police presence, which just makes the communities more insular and distrusting of authority, they need to be educated and employed, to improve conditions and hopefully break the pattern of these behaviours.
I'm assuming that they have succumbed to alcoholism, like most natives have done.
Yes they have.
Yea unless they have jobs, there really isn't a lot of hope for them at this point.
A lot of the American Indians suffer from the same problem, that and the lack of the Feds to hold up on their end of the bargain.
It's crazy but that's what happens when you try to civilize a long standing culture.
It practically destroys it.
Pretty eurocentric of you wouldn't you think? You'd think aborginees were savages or something when in reality, their societies were far more 'civilized' than anything that has come out of Europe since the Athenians.
Where did I say that?
Civilizing in the sense, that people have used it before, meant to make people like modern European nations.
I never said they were savages and fully support them keeping their aboriginal lifestyle.
Yes, that's called Eurocentrism. The belief that European nations are the ones who are civilized and everyone else isn't. It is that 'civilizing' that 'people' engaged in which led to the problem in the first place. Alcohol was meant to be used as a tool to help the Aborigine and African be more like the European. It was the introduction of such vices which made these communities deteriorate faster than they would have otherwise. The same 'civilizing' was done in China with opium. Millions of Chinese were supplied opium by the British. Some of the 'uncivilized' peoples rebelled, like the Boxers. Others simply had no means by which they could rebel. More Eurocentrism isn't going to fix the problem. It'll simply make it worse.
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