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No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.
Seriously, looking at the history of CONQUEST that Muslims engaged in for the purpose of converting people, making this comparison is not the best to make.
Islam is also a missionary religion. They don't go door to door in the US because it is too dangerous to do so. I am no fan of the ignorance of Mormons and JWs. Once, a Mormon missionary called me a "Mary Worshipper." I slammed the door in his face. (not saying this was the best reaction, but I was already annoyed because he knocked on my door while I was watching a US-Mexico World Cup qualifying match.)
Yeah, ALL Muslims do that. That must be why it happens so much in our country or with the regular non-extremist Muslims. :roll:
I always wondered what the constant sound was. Now I know it's the boom from the 1.1 billion bombs going off by all the worlds Muslims.
The religious intonnation of christ birthday has absolutely no meaning nor significance towards non-christians that nevertheless celebrate for the sake that A) it's a day off (in Taiwan it used to be) and B) it's another excuse to go on vacation.I live in a non-Christian country and people wish others Merry Christmas here all the time around December 25, especially in urban areas. It is celebrated in schools all over the country and many families exchange gifts. Most people here are Buddhist-Daoist. This claptrap about how the holiday does not include non-Christians is a load of crap.
They want to place a sign there, fine, they ought to be able to place whatever sign they want to. But seriously, do they have to place such a rediculous and pathetic sign there? What did the nativity scene do anything to them?Atheists take aim at Christmas - CNN.com
You can see a picture of the sign at the link.
I agree with the Atheists right to display their own religious message next to the nativity scene but I don't agree with the way they are doing it. There is no reason for them to blatantly attack religion in their message. If they would have written the sign describing their believes and the purpose of Winter Solstice without the attacks then there would no issue here.
Do you think the atheists went to far with the sign? Should they not be able to place a sign at all?
I would love to agree with the Atheists here but they are making it hard.
There's no way you cold have concluded that from my comments. I commented that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is explicitly including them in the holiday.
You drew from that that I was saying screw everyone else.
There's no way a good faith reading of my comments gets you to such a conclusion.
Yet another gross caricature from you.
Again, obviously, Christians, and for that matter, nearly 60% of Americans, don't see Happy Holidays as including them (and I'm inferring that from the fact that 60+% of Americans prefer Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays).
Because it is symbolic of something larger. Whether it's eliminating Christian symbols from the public square, school prayer, etc., it's an attack on Christianity.
Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
The problem is you have provided no evidence to suggest when the Annunciation took place.
Your posts couldn't be interpreted in any other manner unless the context is that you were being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic in saying Jesus was born on December 25?
The religious intonnation of christ birthday has absolutely no meaning nor significance towards non-christians that nevertheless celebrate for the sake that A) it's a day off (in Taiwan it used to be) and B) it's another excuse to go on vacation.
Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.
Oh, and personally, I couldn't give a hoot whether someone says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", or whatever, as long as no one is forced to to say either. If you are Christian, and I know it, I will wish you "Merry Christmas". If I do not, I will wish you "Happy Holidays". Either way, I am wishing you well. If you are offended with "Happy Holidays", that is YOUR PROBLEM. My intent was to wish you well, and if you are unwilling to accept that, then you can be happy with your self-righteous arrogance. It will not affect me or what I say in any way.
Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.
Actually, I got the same thing from your comment. And it was no gross caricature. I am not Christian. I do not want your missionary work. I am happy with my faith (Jewish). Here's a good definition of missionary, from wikipedia: "A missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith". Sorry. That's selling. I'm not buying. Saying "Merry Christmas" to me, when you know my religion, without regards to my beliefs is not being inclusive, no matter how badly you want to believe it. It's not caring about my beliefs. If you say "Merry Christmas" and do not know that I am Jewish, I will thank you and wish you the same...you are wishing me well. If you do the same and know I am Jewish, and are doing so because you want to anyway, you are not having any respect for my beliefs and are not being inclusive at all.
Saying "Happy Holidays" is wishing someone well for the holiday season. If you have a problem with that, then that is YOUR PROBLEM, not the problem of the speaker.
Oh, and personally, I couldn't give a hoot whether someone says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", or whatever, as long as no one is forced to to say either. If you are Christian, and I know it, I will wish you "Merry Christmas". If I do not, I will wish you "Happy Holidays". Either way, I am wishing you well. If you are offended with "Happy Holidays", that is YOUR PROBLEM. My intent was to wish you well, and if you are unwilling to accept that, then you can be happy with your self-righteous arrogance. It will not affect me or what I say in any way.
When someone wishes me something positive in thier faith I am honored that they consider me in thier prayer and celebration.
If I know someone is jewish I will wish them a happy jewish holiday like Chaunikka (however you spell it). If I don't know I will wish you a merry Christmas....
Likewise if a jewish person were to wish me a happy chaunika I would take it as a very nice thing to say to me.
Same with all faiths, beliefs, and what not.
Namaste.....
When someone wishes me something positive in thier faith I am honored that they consider me in thier prayer and celebration.
If I know someone is jewish I will wish them a happy jewish holiday like Chaunikka (however you spell it). If I don't know I will wish you a merry Christmas....
Likewise if a jewish person were to wish me a happy chaunika I would take it as a very nice thing to say to me.
Same with all faiths, beliefs, and what not.
Namaste.....
Cool, well as an atheist I guess Happy Holidays is ok for me to say then.
Sure I don't care.
I don't like policy though stating one must say "happy holidays"... That kinda irks me.
If it's a private company though, they can do as they wish. So long as it's not forced through the government I don't see any problem with it.
I agree with the private company angle as I am sure you would know.
I was talking in schools, public places, etc....
I don't get that. Who is forced to say Happy Holidays? In school or public places?
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