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Atheists take aim at Christmas


I should have been more specific. It's not really Christianity specifically, but certain factions of Christianity. I know exactly what you mean about Southern Baptists too. I used to attend a Southern Baptist church when i was younger.

I haven't had that problem, even though I'm in the south, the Jehovah's witnesses frequent my area, but are generally very polite when they are declined.
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Some of them have been polite, some less. A few have done the whole "foot in the door" routine, which I found annoying.

Which is why I think all of us on the sane side need to band together regardless of our beliefs, discuss them in a studious and respectful manner, and tell the extremists to shove it.
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Amen to that.

Not me, or most of my friends of the christian faith, but I believe these should be privately donated items, not paid for from tax coffers, AND should be respectful in their placement in regards to the other belief symbols.
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I agree completely.
 
 
winston53660 said:
If you get a spot with Merry Christmas in the public square Happy Holidays also gets a spot. Equal rights and all ya know:mrgreen:
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I'm okay with that.:mrgreen:
 

:rofl I know exactly what you mean. At least the commercials are good for a bit of a laugh.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Are you sure about that? Why then does Bill O'Reilly have his yearly War On Christmas special?
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Is that an expression of being offended?

Why do people get offended when they are told Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?
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Do they? You haven't established this, yet.

Which is paranoia and nothing more. Christianity will most likely never be eliminated from the public square considering that a majority of people in this country are Christian. I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Despite the Ten Commandmants bieng removed by court order, banning school prayer, manger/stable displays being ordered removed, public universities banning Christmas displays because it's "ethnically insensitive," etc. Yeah, figments of our imaginations, eh? :roll:

Actually, yes it is about a holiday greeting.
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I know the issue is motivated by the holiday greeting being altered. But people like me are not arguing about how to greet others. People like me are citing this as another example of a war against Christianity in the public square.

You take issue with people saying Happy Holidays because you perceive it to purely be about being PC and that simply isn't true.
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It's not true?

The only argument for doing it is to be more inclusive. But a clear majority of Americans believe it's not more inclusive and prefer Merry Christmas.
 
JMak said:
Do they? You haven't established this, yet.
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I've spoken to people who get offended by it. I'm sure that they aren't alone in that. You've already made it clear that you object to it only because you perceive it to be purely for PC reasons.


So what? Those things shouldn't exist in the public arena anyway. Just because they want to remove it doesn't mean that they are trying to eradicate it completely. That's an absurd and paranoid notion.

I know the issue is motivated by the holiday greeting being altered. But people like me are not arguing about how to greet others. People like me are citing this as another example of a war against Christianity in the public square.
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Which is completely absurd and paranoid.

It's not true?

The only argument for doing it is to be more inclusive. But a clear majority of Americans believe it's not more inclusive and prefer Merry Christmas.
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No, it isn't true. For some that is a large part of the reason, as proven by your story about banning Merry Christmas. However, those people don't speak for every single person who takes issue with this.
 
Gibberish said:
If Jesus was not born on December 25 what solid basis is there for celebrating his birth on December 25 other then to convert Roman pagans (who already celebrated the birth of Mithra (the unconquered sun) on December 25)?
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Nine months after the Annunciation

The below seems like an assertion to me.
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Then you are not very good at reading posts in full context.
 
JMak said:
That's the stupidity of multiculturalist thinking.

Christmas is the Christian holiday. Wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" who is not a Christian is explicitly including them in the Christian holiday.
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I live in a non-Christian country and people wish others Merry Christmas here all the time around December 25, especially in urban areas. It is celebrated in schools all over the country and many families exchange gifts. Most people here are Buddhist-Daoist. This claptrap about how the holiday does not include non-Christians is a load of crap.
 

No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.

Seriously, looking at the history of CONQUEST that Muslims engaged in for the purpose of converting people, making this comparison is not the best to make.

Islam is also a missionary religion. They don't go door to door in the US because it is too dangerous to do so. I am no fan of the ignorance of Mormons and JWs. Once, a Mormon missionary called me a "Mary Worshipper." I slammed the door in his face. (not saying this was the best reaction, but I was already annoyed because he knocked on my door while I was watching a US-Mexico World Cup qualifying match.)
 

Exactly. The Christmas Eve mass where I go to church always has as many non-Catholics as it does Catholics. They are always welcome to join us and celebrate with us. This is not EXCLUSIVE, but rather it is INCLUSIVE. I assume most mainstream Protestestant sects are the same.
 
ludahai said:
No, Muslims just bomb and kill you if you don't convert.
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Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
 
TheNextEra said:
Funny my Muslim neighbors haven't tried to kill me since I don't convert. Generalize much?
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How many muslim neighbors do you have, and how close do they live?
 
 
ludahai said:
Nine months after the Annunciation
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The problem is you have provided no evidence to suggest when the Annunciation took place.



ludahai said:
Then you are not very good at reading posts in full context.
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Your posts couldn't be interpreted in any other manner unless the context is that you were being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic in saying Jesus was born on December 25?
 
American said:
How many muslim neighbors do you have, and how close do they live?
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Well I consider myself having 8 neighbors (in a square and with whom I talk with constantly of course I consider our neighborhood bigger than that who I have constant contact with and with 2 of them being Jewish who get along with the Muslim neighbor quite well), 1 of them Muslim and one of them that I eat dinner with each week with them being Muslim.

So what's your point again?
 
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