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one. govt. web site info changes from time to time
two. your linked article had a quote that the BLM wanted Bundy's land. Well the public land is not Bundy's. So the article on that point is misleading. it also seems to skip the fact that Bundy is not paying grazing fees (for how many years? more than 1 less than 50. :mrgreen
You have anything else beside the Beforeitsnews website?
It worked for the Civil Rights movement, whose organizers would place children for the exact same purposes.
It worked for the Civil Rights movement, whose organizers would place children for the exact same purposes.
Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff
He hasn't paid in 20 yrs and now they send in the storm troopers to steal (a major crime) his livestock?
The exact same purposes?!
I lived through that period and do not know of that allegation.
Please link to verifiable evidence.
...Children's Crusade[edit]
Main article: Children's Crusade (civil rights)
On May 2, more than a thousand students skipped school and gathered at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. The principal of Parker High School attempted to lock the gates to keep students in, but they scrambled over the walls to get to the church.[60] Demonstrators were given instructions to march to the downtown area, to meet with the Mayor, and integrate the chosen buildings. They were to leave in smaller groups and continue on their courses until arrested. Marching in disciplined ranks, some of them using walkie-talkies, they were sent at timed intervals from various churches to the downtown business area.[61] More than 600 students were arrested; the youngest of these was reported to be eight years old. Children left the churches while singing hymns and "freedom songs" such as "We Shall Overcome". They clapped and laughed while being arrested and awaiting transport to jail. The mood was compared to that of a school picnic.[62] Although Bevel informed Connor that the march was to take place, Connor and the police were dumbfounded by the numbers and behavior of the children.[63][64] They assembled paddy wagons and school buses to take the children to jail. When no squad cars were left to block the city streets, Connor, whose authority extended to the fire department, used fire trucks. The day's arrests brought the total number of jailed protesters to 1,200 in the 900-capacity Birmingham jail.
The use of children proved very controversial. Incoming mayor Albert Boutwell and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy condemned the decision to use children in the protests.[65] Kennedy was reported in The New York Times as saying, "an injured, maimed, or dead child is a price that none of us can afford to pay", although adding, "I believe that everyone understands their just grievances must be resolved."[66] Malcolm X criticized the decision, saying, "Real men don't put their children on the firing line."[67]
King, who had been silent and then out of town while Bevel was organizing the children, was impressed by the success of using them in the protests. That evening he declared at a mass meeting, "I have been inspired and moved by today. I have never seen anything like it."[68] Although Wyatt Tee Walker was initially against the use of children in the demonstrations, he responded to criticism by saying, "Negro children will get a better education in five days in jail than in five months in a segregated school."[55] The D Day campaign received front page coverage by The Washington Post and The New York Times.[61][62]...
Steal his livestock? Nope, they were going to remove his livestock from land that is not his. If he does not want his property removed, he needs to keep it on his land. If his current land is not big enough to hold that property (livestock), he needs to buy some property that is large enough.
These are pretty simple concepts.
Next time a property owner tows off my car from their property, I"ll jsut tell him not to "steal" my car.No, they did steal his livestock which was unjustified and illegal.
As I understood it, this has been ongoing for quite some time. I doubt it was meant as a showdown from the ranchers perspective. It only became an issue when the feds decided they wanted the land for something else.The more I read about this, the more I think Bundy planned this out for his 15 minutes of fame. BLM probably realized it needed a differnt plan of attack, and I am sure has one by now.
Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff
He hasn't paid in 20 yrs and now they send in the storm troopers to steal (a major crime) his livestock? It was nothing but a civil case before all this.
As I understood it, this has been ongoing for quite some time. I doubt it was meant as a showdown from the ranchers perspective. It only became an issue when the feds decided they wanted the land for something else.
I don't agree with your term "storm troopers" for the federal LEO.
Bet you have not dealt with a rancher like Bundy? 20 years or more of not following the law and taking advantage of all of us who are US citizens. Wonder if half a cow would be my share of his free grazing he has stolen?
Your lastest CT of Reid wanting the land for solar. "that the federal property for which Bundy claims grazing rights were under consideration by a solar energy company. So has a final decision been made? Speculation doesn't buy much. What is known for certain is Bundy is in tresspass (grazing without a valid grazing permit).
While their may be politics playing into the land use designation, it is interesting how your links post the feds as the bad guys, and down plays the illegal grazing.
Sorting Fact From Fiction on Chinese Solar In Nevada | Commentary | ReWire | KCET
The article then discusses the project at some length, quoting a Reuters article from August 2012.
There's a reason for that 2012 dateline in the Reuters piece: The "Chinese energy firm" being discussed is ENN Mojave Energy, and the project was canceled in 2013 after languishing for many months unbuilt and unfunded. There haven't been many articles on the project since 2012, for the simple reason that it became clear it probably wasn't happening around then.
To be clear, Daniels did not specifically say that the ENN Mojave Energy project was planned for the land on which Bundy's cattle now trespass. But that's certainly what people took away from it: Harry Reid ordered Bundy's cattle removed so that his son Rory could build a solar project on it for the Chinese Communists.
There are two little problems with that interpretation of the story, one of which lends support for the notion that Americans have no idea how to read maps: Bundy's cattle are in Bunkerville, Nevada which is here, and the proposed ENN plant would have been sited in Laughlin Nevada, which is here, and the two places are almost 180 miles apart.
How many times does this need to be posted?
It's a civil matter that should be handle as such.
The way the government is handling it tells me it's about far more than paying a fee.
Big government advocate I see. We'll see how all this plays out.
Too many people are thinking with their little heads on this topic.
The guy is a deadbeat who has been using public land to graze his cattle for decades, and refusing to pay the grazing fees to do so. It's kind of like one of the ranchers from Central California deciding that the lush grazing in Yosemite is just what his cows need, and herding a few thousand head into the park, which is public land after all, to get free cattle feed and up his profit at the public's expense.
Hey, if Bundy can do it, so can he, amirite? How about all those million head of cattle surrounding Yellowstone, and all the yummy grazing pastures there. It's public land; ranchers are part of the public, so how about they just herd 'em all into Yellowstone to graze the place down to dirt?
Oh but that's different, you say!!! No, actually, it isn't different at all. There are pastures in national parks that are used by local ranchers for grazing, ranchers who follow the law, pay the grazing fees and adhere to the grazing schedule to make certain that other wildlife and the land itself are not damaged. Bundy just helped himself to hundreds of prime grazing acres, and refused to pay for the privilege or adhere to the law regarding care of public land. He's a self-absorbed, profit-greedy hunk of scum, and I have not a single **** to give about the predicament he created for himself.
So the solution it to Leon his property and/or levy his income. Sending an armed task force is overkill.
I believe the last court case was 21 years ago....it's not like Clive is an illegal alien so how long should they wait?
That's not how it'as dealt with.
here's the reason he stopped paying....onerous government over-reach
CLINTON DOUBLING FEES FOR GRAZING ON FEDERAL LANDS - NYTimes.com
The Federal grazing fee for 2013 will be $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM) for public lands
Too many people are thinking with their little heads on this topic.
The guy is a deadbeat who has been using public land to graze his cattle for decades, and refusing to pay the grazing fees to do so.
It's kind of like one of the ranchers from Central California deciding that the lush grazing in Yosemite is just what his cows need, and herding a few thousand head into the park, which is public land after all, to get free cattle feed and up his profit at the public's expense.
Hey, if Bundy can do it, so can he, amirite? How about all those million head of cattle surrounding Yellowstone, and all the yummy grazing pastures there. It's public land; ranchers are part of the public, so how about they just herd 'em all into Yellowstone to graze the place down to dirt?
Oh but that's different, you say!!! No, actually, it isn't different at all. There are pastures in national parks that are used by local ranchers for grazing, ranchers who follow the law, pay the grazing fees and adhere to the grazing schedule to make certain that other wildlife and the land itself are not damaged. Bundy just helped himself to hundreds of prime grazing acres, and refused to pay for the privilege or adhere to the law regarding care of public land. He's a self-absorbed, profit-greedy hunk of scum, and I have not a single **** to give about the predicament he created for himself.
Can't help but think there's more going on here than a simple case of catching a tax-cheat.
In which video did you see armed protesters?They're raising arms against the law in defense of someone breaking the law.
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