Arkansas farmers are pleading with US government to save them — many face bankruptcy.

[AConcernedCitizen]

The farmers didn't learn their lesson because he simply gave them lots of money for doing nothing.

And what did they learn from that? Seems like they learned something at any rate.

 

[Mike1950]

And what did they learn from that? Seems like they learned something at any rate.

What this demonstrates is conditioning, like Pavlov's Dogs, not a form of higher learning. They just learned to salivate when Trump rings the bell. We want them to actually understand that Trump is bad for the farming industry and for that matter all industries. It's sort of why he couldn't run a successful business himself. Our much to easy for the rich Bankruptcy laws seem to have prevented him from every learning much of anything either.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

What this demonstrates is conditioning, like Pavlov's Dogs, not a form of higher learning. They just learned to salivate when Trump rings the bell. We want them to actually understand that Trump is bad for the farming industry and for that matter all industries. It's sort of why he couldn't run a successful business himself. Our much to easy for the rich Bankruptcy laws seem to have prevented him from every learning much of anything either.

He represents his base, if not well, at least accurately.

 

[SavannahMann]

I'm afraid I still don't understand. I don't understand why we should feel empathy, and I don't understand why we should expect the Government to bail these Farmers out.

When Trump made sure to cut funding causing Colleges to fire staff, we were told that was good and Trump was doing the right thing. We didn't hear anything from these folks about their jobs, and lifetime of work and effort. All we heard was they were Liberals and deserved to be fired.

When Government workers were fired. We didn't hear anything about how their families would survive. We heard endlessly about how DOGE and Trump were doing what was right!

When Tariffs were affecting Corporations they were awful for putting a Trump Tariff tax line on the bill. Trump was doing what was Right. Sure some people might suffer now, but in the long run America would be better. Besides, these Companies should be selling American! No discussion about how it was going to hurt Small Business or family business.

Then some of those Republican Voters discovered that their lives would be affected by Trump. It turns out the Tariffs were going to hurt them, and even drive them out of business. That wasn't fair. They operated a small business and had been using a loophole to import stuff for years and it wasn't fair that they got targeted too.

Nothing from the Farmers about those small business folks who were being screwed over. Trump was doing what was right for America! If the Liberals don't like it you know it's the right thing.

Now Reciprocal Tariffs, which the Liberals warned everyone would be the result. Something about a Trade War? We heard how they wouldn't dare. Well it turns out that the folks who had been buying American, well they're not anymore. Brazil and others are stepping in to fill the orders, and happily making that money selling crops like Soybeans to the Chinese for example. Wheat too for that matter.

Well now, this is a disaster. And anyone who doesn't sympathize with these Farmers who had no sympathy for anyone else, and supported all of this shit when it was happening to others, is just awful.

There was a song a while ago. Where the Singer described different situations where people look down on people without sympathy. God Forbid you had to walk a mile in their shoes. Then you might really know what it's like.

People are struggling to feed their families all over. Food prices have gone up by double digit percentages. Trump is doing what's right. It's the Liberals who are to blame. Not Trump. Trump is fighting for America. The days of the free ride are over. Cut Medicare and the Food Stamps. Who cares if those lazy bastards suffer and die. We can't afford it.

So why should I feel empathy towards these Farmers? I've read this thread through all the pages. All we hear about is how we're awful for not feeling bad for them. No good reasons why we should pump good money after bad to support farmers who are growing shit they can't sell. We couldn't afford Park Rangers. We couldn't afford custodial crews for the Mall in Washington DC. We couldn't afford one single Plumber for Yellowstone National Park. How can we afford to bail out thousands of farmers who grew crops they can't sell?

 

[SMTA]

I was told Americans don't do farm work?

Just go back to sleep. Seriously.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Or China and India would have plugged the gap in whatever industrial output we decided to forego to chase the left's climate fantasy. Or it's pure speculation that you can even do anything to change it.

Unlikely. They've been racing along with industrialization as fast as they can; and (more importantly) imitating us along the way. They wouldn't have been capable of doing more, and would likely have followed us into renewables and other pollution-reducing measures.

As to whether it's speculation that we can do nothing to affect climate change--no, it isn't. We put the methane, water vapor, and CO2 in the atmosphere. We didn't have to, and had we not, things would have been different--including, likely, the severe inclement weather these farmers experienced.

 

[Metric Mouse]

They dont in sufficient numbets to meet the needs of the ag sector.

What needs?

Are these people not filling needs?

Seems there is no need for them if they are going broke.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Just go back to sleep. Seriously.

But what about farmers? Do you really want them to go broke?

 

[Luce]

Who wants them to bow?

I want them to go broke.

So do they. You can tell because they voted for a guy that promised to ruin them.

 

[NolanVoyd]

What needs?

What do you mean "what needs"??..

ag labor. Freaking duh.

Are these people not filling needs?

Without illegals there are not sufficient ag laborers to meet the needs of the ag secror. Which is why 50% of the ag labor force os illegal nationwide, and higher in places like cali g ornia that grow labor inrensive crops.

These bital laborers should be allowed to come legally.

Seems there is no need for them if they are going broke.

Huh?

They are going broke with I ut them, which proves THEY ARE NEEDED.

 

[SMTA]

But what about farmers? Do you really want them to go broke?

They voted for Trump.
Now they pay the price.

 

[ashurbanipal]

They voted for Trump.
Now they pay the price.

Well, correction: they voted for Trump and now we all pay the price. They more than many, but this will hurt all of us.

 

[LoreD]

No welfare for farmers: If we reap what we sow then rural voters should not expect taxpayer bailouts​

No welfare for farmers: If we reap what we sow then rural voters should not expect taxpayer bailouts | Milwaukee Independent

www.milwaukeeindependent.com

Farmers across America have become a political paradox. They have rallied for free markets, decryed “handouts,” and scorning safety nets as socialist overreach, until those very mechanisms were needed to serve them. Today, they are demanding yet another multibillion-dollar federal bailout, arguing that without it, the nation’s food supply will collapse. But this plea comes not from victims of unforeseen disaster, but from architects of their own economic ruin.

Farmers overwhelmingly supported Donald Trump in the 2024 election. In Wisconsin, Trump carried the rural vote by more than 22 points, flipping farm-heavy counties once considered politically mixed. Nationwide, in 444 counties classified by the USDA as farming-dependent, Trump won all but 11, capturing nearly 78% of the vote, according to Investigate Midwest. The same communities now suffering under Trump’s renewed trade war and gutted agricultural programs are those that cheered him into office.

A free market is not a buffet where one takes the profits and leaves behind the risks. The foundational conservative belief in personal responsibility must apply equally to agriculture as it does to every other sector. When small retailers went under during COVID-19, farmers offered no solidarity. When urban economies collapsed under public health restrictions, many rural voices condemned aid programs as wasteful or immoral.

And yet now, as Trump’s policies choke their markets, slash federal support systems, and escalate the climate-related disasters plaguing the Midwest, these same farmers demand rescue from the very government they wish to see dismantled.

 

[Michael Cole]

From the same article:

No welfare for farmers: If we reap what we sow then rural voters should not expect taxpayer bailouts | Milwaukee Independent

www.milwaukeeindependent.com

Even before COVID, many rural Americans made it clear that they did not care about urban difficulties. They routinely said so in countless news interviews for years. And then, specifically during the pandemic, which was a problem for the cities and not for the rural folks.

That selfish detachment was part of a broader conservative culture war that framed compassion as weakness, celebrated cruelty as virtue, and mocked anyone who showed concern for others. But now, facing a crisis of their own making, they turn to the people whom they called “snowflakes,” demanding empathy for their self-induced suffering.

It is not just hypocrisy, it is theft of hard-earned taxpayer dollars. They ridiculed the idea that anyone deserves help, regardless of their position in life. So why, by their own logic, should anyone waste compassion on them? It sounds coldhearted and un-Christian, but they made the rules. So, let them live by those rules.

The double standard is clear. Rural suffering is treated as patriotic, while urban poverty is framed as personal failure.

Conservative media paints farmers as heroes and essential workers,

Indeed, they do.

Reminds me of this.

but sneers at single parents in cities trying to make ends meet on minimum wage.

 

[SavannahMann]

But what about farmers? Do you really want them to go broke?

Curious. Why are these farmers somehow more sacred and worthy of compassion that the tens of thousands of Government workers? The thousands of people at Universities doing research? The Construction Contractors who can’t get labor and face the same Bankruptcy?

Or the families of immigrants who got their green cards and were still rounded up?

I’ll spell it out. The vast majority of farmers voted for Trump. The vast majority of those other groups didn’t. Trump supporters deserve our compassion and assistance. Trump opponents need to get on the train or face the consequences.

The President of the American Soybean Association in an interview said that he still supports Trump and the Tariffs. Well then why shouldn’t your farms be included in that collateral damage that you were willing to subject everyone else to?

No bailouts. No taxpayer dollars for farmers who put themselves first at the expense of others. You had choices. You made them. You focused on crops you could sell to feed China. This is the consequence of that choice in an America First world. I’m sure if you look you can find some bootstraps around.

 

[mrjurrs]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arkansas-farmers-pleading-us-government-193000999.html

Before we get into this...

Let's take a look at the stats.

Arkansas voted heavily in favor of Donald Trump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Arkansas

Almost all rural counties that Trumps policies are affecting are driving this problem.

So here's a message to these people.

Whats the matter?

Banning abortion, terrorizing blue cities with ICE and Anti-Trans policies don't actually benefit you and help you feed your children?

What happened to rugged individualism?

What happened to "I don't need no gubmint"?

Or is government assistance only bad if its going to people of color or poor urbanites?

Because you're a white farmer, you don't qualify as a welfare queen?

You didn't understand what a trade war would do to your ability to sell your produce on the open market?

So how about this.

**** you and **** you.

This is what you voted for.

This is what you wanted.

So go eat a bag of dicks, you don't deserve a red ****ing cent.

P.S. I do feel for those who were smart enough not to vote for this disaster.

They got saved during the first term. He said he was going to do tariffs again. They voted for him again.

What are they going to give us to save them again?

 

[Cosmo]

Unlikely. They've been racing along with industrialization as fast as they can; and (more importantly) imitating us along the way. They wouldn't have been capable of doing more, and would likely have followed us

China is already ahead of us.

CO2 Emissions by Country - Worldometer

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions by Country in the world with Global share of CO2 greenhouse emissions by country

www.worldometers.info

into renewables and other pollution-reducing measures.

As to whether it's speculation that we can do nothing to affect climate change--no, it isn't. We put the methane, water vapor, and CO2 in the atmosphere. We didn't have to, and had we not, things would have been different--including, likely, the severe inclement weather these farmers experienced.

That's not a quantitative analysis. You haven't shown it would have a significant effect. May as well hold your farts in to reduce pollution.

 

[Lycanthrope]

But what about farmers? Do you really want them to go broke?

They had four years to learn who and what Donald is. And in 2024 they voted for him again anyway.

I don't wish anyone economic hardship, but FFS if someone keeps asking to be kicked in the balls they look stupid complaining that it hurts.

 

[ashurbanipal]

China is already ahead of us.

Irrelevant. What you said is that China and India would take up the slack, so to speak, in any reduction in greenhouse gas emissions we might have undertaken over the last 50-odd years. That they produce more greenhouse gas emissions now is not relevant to figuring out whether your claim is true or not. What is relevant is exactly what I pointed out: that both China and India have been cooking their economies as hot as they could possibly stand to do, and hence wouldn't have been able to industrialize any more than they in fact did.

That's not a quantitative analysis. You haven't shown it would have a significant effect. May as well hold your farts in to reduce pollution.

Not sure why a quantitative analysis matters in this forum. Plenty of people who spend their lives studying the phenomenon have produced such analyses, and it's pretty easy to look at those analyses and realize that a significant reduction in emissions brought on by widespread social and economic reforms starting back in the 1970s would have made a difference. The only people who doubt that any longer are the useful idiots cheering for propaganda purchased by oil companies.

 

[Cosmo]

Irrelevant. What you said is that China and India would take up the slack, so to speak, in any reduction in greenhouse gas emissions we might have undertaken over the last 50-odd years.

Ever notice "Made in China" on any of your products?

That they produce more greenhouse gas emissions now is not relevant to figuring out whether your claim is true or not. What is relevant is exactly what I pointed out: that both China and India have been cooking their economies as hot as they could possibly stand to do, and hence wouldn't have been able to industrialize any more than they in fact did.


Not sure why a quantitative analysis matters in this forum.

It matters if you want to separate your idea from the idea of holding your farts in to reduce pollution.

Plenty of people who spend their lives studying the phenomenon have produced such analyses, and it's pretty easy to look at those analyses and realize that a significant reduction in emissions brought on by widespread social and economic reforms starting back in the 1970s would have made a difference. The only people who doubt that any longer are the useful idiots cheering for propaganda purchased by oil companies.