WillRockwell
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ACORN..
...submits falsified voter registration forms.
...hires Black Panther terrorists to imtimidate whiteys away from their polling places.
...submits Absentee Ballots in the districts their canvassing then fly home to vote in their home districts.
...engage in massive voter fraud.
Yeah, we know what ACORN really does.
The ENTIRE STORY is about the claim of protestors being paid and bused in. You ask what part to watch? How about everything between the beginning and the end?
You do realize this "groundswell" is phony, the "grass roots activists" paid for and bused in, the same ones being bused all around the country.You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party. Of course you realize that, you are just playing your part in the circus. "Seems a ground swell has started"....bullcrap.
:lol: its an opinion piece and even if that smug dog face chick is 100% correct. lets pretend...
how does that prove your contention:
Were was this in that video?
I guess further proof you did not watch the video, or have problems with comprehension or listening? Regardless, pay the man, you lose. She clearly listed which groups are organizing, who is behind them, and their past history. If you find this is false, why has FIXed news not picked this up? I am sure they would love any attempt to attack MSNBC. Or, you could not be so lazy as to check these out for yourself, go look at the websites, find out who is involved with them. Otherwise the report is factually correct, and you lose.
FYI, you may want to refer to that other thread you got owned in badly, I posted there a lot of the same sources for you to look up, just to see how badly you have lost here as well.
I guess further proof you did not watch the video, or have problems with comprehension or listening? Regardless, pay the man, you lose. She clearly listed which groups are organizing, who is behind them, and their past history. If you find this is false, why has FIXed news not picked this up? I am sure they would love any attempt to attack MSNBC. Or, you could not be so lazy as to check these out for yourself, go look at the websites, find out who is involved with them. Otherwise the report is factually correct, and you lose.
FYI, you may want to refer to that other thread you got owned in badly, I posted there a lot of the same sources for you to look up, just to see how badly you have lost here as well.
uh ok if you say so. :roll:
Did you actually read what will claimed? That the "entire thing" was paid for by republicans, etc....
Even if this hit piece was 200% accurate, he still failed.
You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party
Cut the BS, either tell me how the MSNBC report is inaccurate or shut up and pay the forum the money you promised.
Well he said, and I will quote what you highlighted:
Both this report, and my sources posted in the other thread all lead to the same conclusion that is 100% accurate. Sorry you can not wiggle out of this one, but the statement made is proven. Watch the video, she names all the players in this little charade. You are free as beer to go look for yourself at who these people are, what they do, and what they support. Evidence presented, judgment given: You lost.
I will be kind and tell you your one fatal flaw. You argued from a standpoint where you had absolutely nothing in support. You should not have claimed what you did, but actually made a different argument such as "Well so what, lobbyists have a right to free speech", or "The wealthy health care industry has a right to push their agenda". Both of these would have been factually correct, and would have been more correct and honest. Oh well.:2wave:
I haven't even watched the video because I'm at work, but going off what you described.
You realize that PAC's, that get funding from various sources, and helping to organize protests is not the same as stating "insurance companies and republicans are paying peopel to protest". Its just not.
AND even if you want to consider it, then almost every major war protest over the past 8 years were also "illigitimate" and should've had your scorn because MoveOn.Org, Code Pink, and other such liberal PAC's and groups that recieving funding from people tied directly to liberal causes helped promote and organize them.
AND even if you want to consider that, then Obama using his office of the presidency to spread messages to people that they need to go out and protest/rally FOR his plans is ALSO making any of those publicly supporting the bill illigitimate as THEY are being influenced by people who have alterior motives as to why they want people to come out and speak for it.
Regardless of all that though, none of what you just said proves the original assertion:
"You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party."
There was no proof from what you've stated that the REPUBLICAN PARTY was helping to "cordinate" this effort. And there's still no proof that EVERY protest and protester out there is being "paid" for by "billionaire rightwing activists".
Will's got own up to the fact that he made an absurdly ludicrous and asinine statement, got called on it, tried to move the goal posts when providing his "evidence", and is now having a hissy fit along with some of the rest of you that that its not being allowed to somehow "prove" his original idiotic statement.
You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party
The nation's largest federation of labor organizations has promised to directly engage with boisterous conservative protesters at Democratic town halls during the August recess.
In a memo sent out on Thursday, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney outlined the blueprint for how the union conglomerate would step up recess activities on health care reform and other topics pertinent to the labor community. The document makes clear that Obama allies view the town hall forums as ground zero of the health care debate. It also uses the specter of the infamous 2000 recount "Brooks Brothers" protest to rally its members to the administration's side.
Unions To Take On Conservative Groups Health Care Town Halls
according to quinnipiac yesterday (not prudential insurance, get a piece of the rock), 71% of AMERICANS do NOT BELIEVE the president when he says he can extend coverage to some 50 million or so (about 1/3 of them illegals) without significantly impacting the deficit
that sounds pretty groundswell to me
problems with pelosi/obama's health care reform:
1. waxman/rangel FINES those caught breathing without insurance, as criminals, this is not quite the HELP these folks were promised or looking for, this is hardly the benificent view of universalism sold to the electorate
2. they are FORCED to BUY IT THEMSELVES
3. waxman/rangel proposes massive cuts to MEDICARE and MEDICAID
4. the COST CURVE, according to CBO/elmendorf, steepens upward significantly under waxman/rangel
5. it covers ILLEGALS, since the heller amendment was voted down in rangel's ways and means
6. it changes the public funding of abortion on demand, bluedog bugaboo
7. it looks for huge savings in END OF LIFE COSTS, which is FREAKING OUT seniors (THIS is what's really animating those noisy town halls)
8. the prez is on record as not even having read the 1000 pages himself, his press secty said this week the prez does not expect ever to peruse the plan
9. according to obama and barney frank, the various plans under consideration are seen BY THEM as foot-in-the-door incrementalist starting points towards eventual full nationalization
10. john kerry's plans purpose to tax med benefits, ala john mccain, which obama used so to beat over the head, quite correctly, the slightly doddering senator from AZ during the campaign
these are the things which are bugging americans, state farm insurance has nothing to with it, i'm pretty sure NONE of the folks on THIS THREAD, for example, ever received an email, let alone a penny, from prudential or allstate the good hands people
If Obama's plan were simply "you have to buy at least basic, catastrophic insurance, and here's a tax rebate to help; oh and we're instituting this long list of price caps...." I'd be all over it.
He has proven, as well as I have in another thread, that "billionaire rightwing activists" are coorrdinating. This is a fact.
It is also pretty much to assume as fact that this is coordinated through the Republican Party considering so many of the people involved are current and former GOP elected officials, longtime supporters with close ties, lobbying firms that work exclusively with Republicans and Republican issues.
All we have left is one word: entire. Is the entire mass of protesters paid for, probably not.
How is it inaccurate? Are you seriously asking that question?
A Republican could say that the sun rises in the east and Rachael Maddow swear that someone paid that person to say that.
If you refuse to watch the report and comment on it point by point, then don't pretend to have a knowledgeable opinion. Rachel Maddow does not make stuff up, the report is a solid piece of journalism, which proves the charge I made that the "groundswell" movement is a charade, financed by rightwing billionaires and organized by Republicans. I have proven Hellhound and you to be liars, and ask you now to make good on your promise to donate $100 each to the forum. If you refuse it proves you are both liars and hypocrites.
Will's got own up to the fact that he made an absurdly ludicrous and asinine statement, got called on it, tried to move the goal posts when providing his "evidence", and is now having a hissy fit along with some of the rest of you that that its not being allowed to somehow "prove" his original idiotic statement.
Murphy to hold health care town hall, Aug. 8 | Libertarian Party
Libertarians are NOT republicans, and therefore his statement that:
"You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party."
Is a lie, false, and now without question, destroyed.
This place used to at least challenge the Good Reverend, that took 3 seconds. :lamo
Game set match.
You proved that the "entire charade" was paid for by right wingers and coordinated by the republican party? :doh:roll:
When are you going to disprove any of the facts in the MSNBC report? Have you written a check to the forum yet?
This was not the bet, you are welching now and now in my opinion, trying to lie your way out of a corner.
If Obama's plan were simply "you have to buy at least basic, catastrophic insurance, and here's a tax rebate to help; oh and we're instituting this long list of price caps...." I'd be all over it.
Will,
How do you feel about the Libbos recruting the AFL-CIO to counter the dissenters at the town hall meetings? I bet you're mad as hell about that. Right?
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