In all sincerety here, the issue is not beheadings in Mexico, but another lying politician. I shouldn't be too hard on her though, since other politicians, both Republican and Democratic, have told some real whoppers this election cycle.
If you want to know the truth, I have more faith that a serial liar will be more trustworthy than a politician of ANY stripe or ideology.
well, aren't we all gratified to learn that they're only being kidnapped in phoenix?
yup, beheadings in the desert---that's certainly THE issue in AZ
RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 - Arizona Governor - Brewer vs. Goddard
it's a matter of perspective, it appears
how barbaric can you make illegal Mexicans appear in an atmosphere where illegal immigration is a hot button item not only in AZ but across the country.
right now whatever captures the biggest headlines is what's being used to campaign on
… KIDNAPPINGS THAT MAKE PHOENIX THE SECOND LEADING KIDKNAPP CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. …
Excerpted from “Dewhurst says Phoenix has more kidnappings than any other city in the world except for Mexico City,” PolitiFact Texas
[SIZE="+2"]P[/SIZE]hoenix has experienced hundreds of kidnappings over the past few years. However, we couldn't find reliable around-the-planet evidence to confirm that only Mexico City experiences more of them. In fact, experts advise that such rankings can't be made based on available information. If they could, they speculate, other cities would prove to have more kidnappings than Arizona's capital.
Punch line: Nothing confirms Phoenix as No. 2 in kidnappings worldwide. We'll revisit this turf if compelling evidence surfaces, but for now Dewhurst's statement is False.
She's an opportunist. That may make her a good politician (no, not really) but not a good leader.
Here let me put it to you in terms you should be able to comprehend, sorry no picture, you'll just have to use your imagination:
“According to our analysts, there is no way that Phoenix is the No. 2 city in the world for kidnapping and there are significantly more kidnappings in many other cities throughout Latin America. San Salvador, Guatemala City, Bogota as well as several cities in Mexico certainly have higher kidnapping rates than Phoenix.” — Scott Stewart, vice president of tactical intelligence for Stratfor, an Austin-based global intelligence company
A careful search brings to light that the No. 2 kidnapping claim hangs on a single story from Brian Ross of ABC News (of course, who else?) which has never been backed up by any form of documentation.
Indeed, if you trouble to read the PolitiFact-Texas report, you'll find that kidnapping crimes in Phoenix have been declining in recent years. What we have here is political opportunists making up their own facts to fit their world view.
Here let me put it to you in terms you should be able to comprehend, sorry no picture, you'll just have to use your imagination:
See Jan Brewer run for governor.
Run, Jan, run.
See Jan say popular (but false) things to gain popularity at the expense of a minority population.
Lie, Jan, Lie.
Yeah I just went ahead and quit reading …
Why am I not surprised? … It's pretty clear reading isn't your strength.
Chappy would post a thread if a republican politician misordered breakfast. THAT there is criminal behavior, violence, drug smuggling, kidnapping...NONE of that matters. THAT they are actually trying to do something about it...PSHAW! Heaven forbid. I dont think i ever saw any threads from him regarding Obamas outright lies about when mommy and daddy hooked up under JFKs love blanket...or any of the other steady stream of lies...his hate and scorn is one way, baby...the only 'lies' that count are conservative lies.
Brewer retracted her comment. When is Pelosi going to retract hers on unemployment extentions , "It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name." . Unemployment remains high, economy is still in the dumps after how many extensions?Why am I not surprised? … It's pretty clear reading isn't your strength.
In all sincerety here, the issue is not beheadings in Mexico, but another lying politician. I shouldn't be too hard on her though, since other politicians, both Republican and Democratic, have told some real whoppers this election cycle.
If you want to know the truth, I have more faith that a serial liar will be more trustworthy than a politician of ANY stripe or ideology.
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What politician has not misspoked , lied, or bended the truth? Chappy, can you tell me with all honesty that Pelosi has never misspoken on a subject. It should be a non issue.
Oh she lied huh Dan. Do you have any evidence she knew what she was claiming was false?
Anything? Or is this yet another liberal attack thread on a conservative?
Appearing on a local television show Sunday morning, Gov. Jan Brewer described how bad Arizona's illegal immigration problem has gotten.
"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded," she said.
But officials with six county medical examiners offices in the state, including four from counties that border Mexico, say they have never heard of such attacks.
The Arizona Guardian contacted the coroners' offices in Yuma, Pima, Pinal, Maricopa, Santa Cruz and Cochise counties. All of them said they'd never investigated an immigration-related crime in which someone's head had been head cut off within their respective jurisdictions.
Plenty of immigrants have died after entering the country illegally, officials with the medical examiners offices said. Some died for lack of water crossing the Arizona desert. Others were killed in violent confrontations with drug cartels that smuggle narcotics and humans.
Their statements are significant because their offices would have investigated and known about any violent deaths.
Brewer had said 87 percent of illegal border crossers had prior criminal records. Federal immigration authorities were unable to confirm the statistic and Brewer's administration could not cite where they got the number.
Last week, the governor, said a majority of all immigrants coming into the country illegally worked as drug couriers for Mexican crime syndicates. The statement was roundly rejected and her comments quickly spread throughout the country.
Members of her campaign staff stopped short of saying she misspoke. They did say the governor made some "missteps" and would do better with citing statistics in the future.
So what you're saying is that somebody provided her with the erroneous information? I guess it must have been different people who gave her this information:
County coroners can't back Brewer beheadings claim
And this information too...
Jan Brewer needs to do some research of her own before she makes claims.
That brings to mind a pretty famous politician who promised unemployment wouldn't raise above 8% if we passed his bill... He also goes on the news and talks about how successful the economic recovery is coming along despite higher unemployment and decline... He is persistent in his claims through debates and conferences. That politician is a idiot.
Ummm...so let me get this straight...there ARENT beheadings and violence occuring along the border? The drug cartels and human traffickers ARENT killing any and everyone that gets in their way? Is it that Governor Brewer mistakenly said that they were actually in Arizona and not on the mexico side of the border?
In the same article you posted there was this quote"
"A Republican legislator who was the prime sponsor of Arizona's immigration law said Brewer's critics were just playing games and ignoring the real issue — violence bleeding across the border into the United States.
"I can tell you there's been 300 to 500 beheadings and dismemberments along that border," state Sen. Russell Pearce said Thursday. "It is a national security concern, yet we're worried about this game-playing, this word-smithing."
So...is it? I mean...we KNOW the drug cartels are a pretty brutal type. We know they have been found to dismember bodies, one individual was arreested recently for disolving bodies in acid. The violence does spill over into Az...doesnt it?
So was it semantics and geographic concerns that really have you dancing gleefuolly and slapping each other high fives?
Gov Brewer doesnt strike me as the polished speaker type. She should hire a team of speechwriters and and never speak without the aid of a teleprompter...have someone feed her comments and lines like the DiC...then she too will at least come across as a smooth speaker.
I don't know if the beheadings are taking place by Mexican drug lords or if it's merely American gangsters, ala, mob-types, who have done this sort of thing for years and such crimes are now being blamed on "people who can't fight back," but I do know that if local/state law enforcement haven't linked these beheadings to illegal immigration/Mexican drug runners then it is wrong to make such statements.
Bottom line: I hear alot coming from AZ Republican politicians on this issue, but what does local/state/federal law enforcement have to say about it? If such beheadings are taking place and it has been determined to be part of the drug cartels, why haven't the FBI/DEA been involved? Why is it that the only people who seem to be speaking out against this are the AZ governor, her political adversary and the most famous sherrif in the state?
Just asking questions here, folks...hoping others will start doing the same thing and looking at things more "objectively" and not merely along political lines. Provide a few recent cornoner's reports or final investigative reports that support the claim that these beheadings have, in fact, been committed by Mexicans and I'll support Governer Brewer's position 110%. Until then, it's just alot of talk - spreading fear - to gain a political advantage.
The gov finally came out and said she made a mistake: Jan Brewer, GOP governor of Arizona and SB1070 supporter: I was wrong on headless bodies claim
While its not been seen in AZ, it is happening just across the border:
Why are beheadings so popular with Mexico's drug gangs? | McClatchy "
CUERNAVACA, Mexico — The preferred form of cruelty by drug cartel henchmen is to capture enemies and behead them, a once-shocking act that has now become numbingly routine. Since March 22, authorities have come across four separate grisly scenes of beheaded bodies, in one case with several heads placed neatly in a row. Dozens of people have been decapitated in recent months, most of them apparently members of rival drug gangs locked in turf battles over narcotics routes, betrayals of loyalty and territorial influence. "
IMO, the point she wanted to make is we don't want the drug violance coming into AZ. The borders are way to easy to cross.
Read more: Why are beheadings so popular with Mexico's drug gangs? | McClatchy
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