Aren't Christian Schools Really Religious / Political Indoctrination Centers?

[Peacenik]

There are a lot of Christian schools now. They are popular with maga and the religious right. Republicans have been trying to kill public education for a long time. They want to replace public education with Christian schools. For white kids, certainly. Poor blacks? Oh, let them suffer in very poorly funded public schools. Republicans don't care about them.

At the same time, Republicans go on and on about "indoctrination." When Republicans talk about indoctrination, they claim it is teaching children what they will encounter in today's world. People of many various sexual preferences. Letting kids understand there are gay and trans people. Republicans seem to want to think that teaching about the real world is "indoctrination," but telling young impressionable minds that religion is fact and not even giving them the chance to decide for themselves 'is not.'

Republicans claim teaching about our actual black history and our actual society is "woke," but that is a perversion of a term which originally meant something else. There has been so much right wing propaganda about "woke" that the word has an entirely different meaning depending on who you ask. If you as a maga they will say it's 'dumb liberal stuff,' but if you ask a liberal they define it as it was before all this anti-CRT and anti DEI stuff began: It is being aware of our social inequities and particularly today's racism.

It figures the closet racists don't want to even admit racism exists. They are too busy pretending they are not racist.

Liberals: Schools should be well funded and have full libraries. Very few books are banned.

Maga Republicans: Schools should teach children to be Republicans when they grow up. White wash our history. Suggest that racism isn't real, it's only a false claim by stupid liberals. Claim the USA is a Christian nation and Christianity is a "fact." Ban all kinds of books with any sexual content, references to being gay or trans, and anything that is unpleasant about our racial history. As if it never happened.

As usual, what Republicans are accusing Democrats of? That is exactly what they are guilty of themselves.

Christian schools are definitely religious indoctrination centers as much as they are political indoctrination centers.

 

[Lursa]

You may not see this but I dont really care. Others can still consider it. Not all religious schools promote strongly religious agendas. For example, general precepts of Christianity are pretty standard, like the Golden Rule. Like compassion, forgiveness, peace. Not unfamiliar or controversial, and not repressive or intolerant.

I have friends who ended up choosing Christian private schools because they were providing better education than the local public schools.

And not all religious private schools are "created equally." For example, Catholic-based ones seem to be the ones that discriminate against same sex teachers and/or their relationships. (General statement, since I'm aware of cases in this area.)

OTOH, a Christian school that one friend sent her boys to asked people to forego alcohol. This was not a "belief" of my friend and her husband and there was no active "enforcement" by the school but my friend and husband did choose to respect their rules while sending their boys there. And I got a few bottles of tequila out of it

 

[Mycroft]

Aren't Christian Schools Really Religious / Political Indoctrination Centers?​

Religious...sure. Political...maybe.

So what? A Christian school is a private school. They can teach whatever they want...as long as they also teach to their state's educational standards.

 

[Individual]

Schools.

 

[Fletch]

Aren't Christian Schools Really Religious / Political Indoctrination Centers?​

Religious...sure. Political...maybe.

So what? A Christian school is a private school. They can teach whatever they want...as long as they also teach to their state's educational standards.

And if the left wants to open atheist schools that teach DEI, CRT and transgender mutilation of kids, they are free to do so as well. What you arent free to do is impose that Marxist bullshit on a captive audience in government schools.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I spent two years in a private Christian high school before my parents relented and let me return to my friends in the public school. In addition to a regular curriculum (where we prayed at the beginning of each class) those two years involved Bible classes and "chapel" twice a week after school, where among other things we were shown anti-abortion films, anti-Mormon films, and given lectures on the depravity of mainstream American culture (oh, but still the greatest nation in the history of ever).

Religious schools are absolutely about indoctrinating kids.

 

[Fletch]

I spent two years in a private Christian high school before my parents relented and let me return to my friends in the public school. In addition to a regular curriculum (where we prayed at the beginning of each class) those two years involved Bible classes and "chapel" twice a week after school, where among other things we were shown anti-abortion films, anti-Mormon films, and given lectures on the depravity of mainstream American culture (oh, but still the greatest nation in the history of ever).

Religious schools are absolutely about indoctrinating kids.

But at least the parents have a choice. In government indoctrination centers, no such choice exists.

 

[Michael Cole]

There are a lot of Christian schools now. They are popular with maga and the religious right. Republicans have been trying to kill public education for a long time. They want to replace public education with Christian schools. For white kids, certainly. Poor blacks? Oh, let them suffer in very poorly funded public schools. Republicans don't care about them.

At the same time, Republicans go on and on about "indoctrination." When Republicans talk about indoctrination, they claim it is teaching children what they will encounter in today's world. People of many various sexual preferences. Letting kids understand there are gay and trans people. Republicans seem to want to think that teaching about the real world is "indoctrination," but telling young impressionable minds that religion is fact and not even giving them the chance to decide for themselves 'is not.'

Republicans claim teaching about our actual black history and our actual society is "woke," but that is a perversion of a term which originally meant something else. There has been so much right wing propaganda about "woke" that the word has an entirely different meaning depending on who you ask. If you as a maga they will say it's 'dumb liberal stuff,' but if you ask a liberal they define it as it was before all this anti-CRT and anti DEI stuff began: It is being aware of our social inequities and particularly today's racism.

It figures the closet racists don't want to even admit racism exists. They are too busy pretending they are not racist.

Liberals: Schools should be well funded and have full libraries. Very few books are banned.

Maga Republicans: Schools should teach children to be Republicans when they grow up. White wash our history. Suggest that racism isn't real, it's only a false claim by stupid liberals. Claim the USA is a Christian nation and Christianity is a "fact." Ban all kinds of books with any sexual content, references to being gay or trans, and anything that is unpleasant about our racial history. As if it never happened.

As usual, what Republicans are accusing Democrats of? That is exactly what they are guilty of themselves.

Christian schools are definitely religious indoctrination centers as much as they are political indoctrination centers.

That's quite a hyperbolic broad brush you have there. Everybody doesn't live in Texas.

There are no indoctrination centers here, as you describe. Bishop Manogue High School consistently does well in academics and sports. Students go on to university and become productive members of society.

Your dystopian vision may be close to reality in some Bible Belt states, but to say all religious schools are indoctrination centers is broad brush fallacy.

 

[Lycanthrope]

But at least the parents have a choice. In government indoctrination centers, no such choice exists.

At least parents with the means have a choice. Let's not pretend vouchers suddenly enable a working class family of four to send their kids to religious indoctrination centers.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Your dystopian vision may be close to reality in some Bible Belt states, but to say all religious schools are indoctrination centers is broad brush fallacy.

And that's a fair enough point.

 

[Fearandloathing]

There are a lot of Christian schools now. They are popular with maga and the religious right. Republicans have been trying to kill public education for a long time. They want to replace public education with Christian schools. For white kids, certainly. Poor blacks? Oh, let them suffer in very poorly funded public schools. Republicans don't care about them.

At the same time, Republicans go on and on about "indoctrination." When Republicans talk about indoctrination, they claim it is teaching children what they will encounter in today's world. People of many various sexual preferences. Letting kids understand there are gay and trans people. Republicans seem to want to think that teaching about the real world is "indoctrination," but telling young impressionable minds that religion is fact and not even giving them the chance to decide for themselves 'is not.'

Republicans claim teaching about our actual black history and our actual society is "woke," but that is a perversion of a term which originally meant something else. There has been so much right wing propaganda about "woke" that the word has an entirely different meaning depending on who you ask. If you as a maga they will say it's 'dumb liberal stuff,' but if you ask a liberal they define it as it was before all this anti-CRT and anti DEI stuff began: It is being aware of our social inequities and particularly today's racism.

It figures the closet racists don't want to even admit racism exists. They are too busy pretending they are not racist.

Liberals: Schools should be well funded and have full libraries. Very few books are banned.

Maga Republicans: Schools should teach children to be Republicans when they grow up. White wash our history. Suggest that racism isn't real, it's only a false claim by stupid liberals. Claim the USA is a Christian nation and Christianity is a "fact." Ban all kinds of books with any sexual content, references to being gay or trans, and anything that is unpleasant about our racial history. As if it never happened.

As usual, what Republicans are accusing Democrats of? That is exactly what they are guilty of themselves.

Christian schools are definitely religious indoctrination centers as much as they are political indoctrination centers.

Do nuns still get to whip little boys in the ass?

The bitches and creeps who ran my grade school came out of a lab experiment gone wrong. They made sadists look kind.

Try this: Kneel with both arms raised above your shoulders. Have a nun place two textbooks on each hand. Stay that way for half a day without complaining.


Sadists

 

[Lycanthrope]

I will add too that I saw more bad behavior, drug use, fighting, and teen pregnancies during my two years of private Christian school than I did in the public school system. Parents will problem children sent them there as a last stop before military school.

 

[Fletch]

At least parents with the means have a choice. Let's not pretend vouchers suddenly enable a working class family of four to send their kids to religious indoctrination centers.

You are making my point. Only parents with means can escape government schools.

 

[Lursa]

Do nuns still get to whip little boys in the ass?

The bitches and creeps who ran my grade school came out of a lab experiment gone wrong. They made sadists look kind.

Try this: Kneel with both arms raised above your shoulders. Have a nun place two textbooks on each hand. Stay that way for half a day without complaining.


Sadists

The OP chooses not to read many people's posts, so his feedback might not be forthcoming. Just an FYI. It's worthwhile to post anyway tho...the rest of us certainly can debate.

 

[Lycanthrope]

You are making my point. Only parents with means can escape government schools.

Okay

 

[Lursa]

You are making my point. Only parents with means can escape government schools.

Religious private schools dont have to be expensive, do they? If there's a true political agenda there...IMO they'd be pretty darn cheap to get more students to indoctrinate. What do you think?

Or they can homeschool. Kid's education takes some planning. Like moving somewhere you are familiar with the public schools/districts, not having/waiting to have kids if you cannot get them properly educated, living somewhere where you can live on one income and one parent homeschool, etc etc etc.

People have choices, they just have to plan.

 

[Lursa]

I just posted this to Fletch but to anyone:

Religious private schools dont have to be expensive, do they? If there's a true political agenda as the intended purpose...IMO they'd be pretty darn cheap to get more students to indoctrinate. What do you think?

 

[poppopfox]

There are a lot of Christian schools now. They are popular with maga and the religious right. Republicans have been trying to kill public education for a long time. They want to replace public education with Christian schools. For white kids, certainly. Poor blacks? Oh, let them suffer in very poorly funded public schools. Republicans don't care about them.

At the same time, Republicans go on and on about "indoctrination." When Republicans talk about indoctrination, they claim it is teaching children what they will encounter in today's world. People of many various sexual preferences. Letting kids understand there are gay and trans people. Republicans seem to want to think that teaching about the real world is "indoctrination," but telling young impressionable minds that religion is fact and not even giving them the chance to decide for themselves 'is not.'

Republicans claim teaching about our actual black history and our actual society is "woke," but that is a perversion of a term which originally meant something else. There has been so much right wing propaganda about "woke" that the word has an entirely different meaning depending on who you ask. If you as a maga they will say it's 'dumb liberal stuff,' but if you ask a liberal they define it as it was before all this anti-CRT and anti DEI stuff began: It is being aware of our social inequities and particularly today's racism.

It figures the closet racists don't want to even admit racism exists. They are too busy pretending they are not racist.

Liberals: Schools should be well funded and have full libraries. Very few books are banned.

Maga Republicans: Schools should teach children to be Republicans when they grow up. White wash our history. Suggest that racism isn't real, it's only a false claim by stupid liberals. Claim the USA is a Christian nation and Christianity is a "fact." Ban all kinds of books with any sexual content, references to being gay or trans, and anything that is unpleasant about our racial history. As if it never happened.

As usual, what Republicans are accusing Democrats of? That is exactly what they are guilty of themselves.

Christian schools are definitely religious indoctrination centers as much as they are political indoctrination centers.

Some might enjoy this essay - WHAT SHALL WE TELL THE CHILDREN?
Excerpt
"Children, I'll argue, have a human right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people's bad ideas—no matter who these other people are. Parents, correspondingly, have no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose: no right to limit the horizons of their children's knowledge, to bring them up in an atmosphere of dogma and superstition, or to insist they follow the straight and narrow paths of their own faith."

"In short, children have a right not to have their minds addled by nonsense. And we as a society have a duty to protect them from it. So we should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, in the literal truth of the Bible, or that the planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out or lock them in a dungeon."

 

[NolanVoyd]

Aren't Christian Schools Really Religious / Political Indoctrination Centers?​

Religious...sure. Political...maybe.

So what? A Christian school is a private school. They can teach whatever they want...as long as they also teach to their state's educational standards.

You all want taxpayer money going to them.

 

[Peacenik]

Do nuns still get to whip little boys in the ass?

The bitches and creeps who ran my grade school came out of a lab experiment gone wrong. They made sadists look kind.

Try this: Kneel with both arms raised above your shoulders. Have a nun place two textbooks on each hand. Stay that way for half a day without complaining.


Sadists

You will believe or else!

But God loves you.

 

[Michael Cole]

At least parents with the means have a choice. Let's not pretend vouchers suddenly enable a working class family of four to send their kids to religious indoctrination centers.

There are non-sectarian, college prep, private schools to choose from.

The Meadows in Las Vegas ranks as the top private high school in the state. I'd have little to no issue with vouchers to such a school. Scholarships would be preferable, but non-religious private education should be promoted.

Top PreK-12 Private School in Las Vegas | The Meadows School

The Meadows School is a comprehensive college preparatory school in Las Vegas for preschool through grade 12. Discover how we define excellence!

www.themeadowsschool.org

The Dr. Mirium & Sheldon G. Adelson School in Las Vegas is #2. I'm not interested in that school. Too much political baggage, though it may provide a perfectly good education.

Sage Ridge School in Reno comes in third and is also a non-sectarian college prep school.

Sage Ridge School - Academic Excellence in Reno-Tahoe

Sage Ridge is Reno, Nevada's only non-sectarian, college-preparatory, independent school for grades 3-12. 2024 Best of Reno Best Private School and #1 on Niche.

www.sageridge.org

Bishop Manogue in Reno and Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas round out the top five. These two schools received an A rating while the first three received an A+, according to Niche.

K-12 Schools in Nevada

Ranking of schools based on statistics, test scores, and reviews.

www.niche.com

What we see in the public school systems is a connection between school performance and socio-economic class. Schools in rich neighborhoods do better than schools in poor neighborhoods. There are myriad reasons for this, which are largely beyond the school district's control. A program was begun here that allows parents to enroll their children in out-of-zone schools. Someone living in the poor section of town can send their kids to the rich schools, enrollment space permitting. I don't know to what effect, but the idea is sound.

If the solution were to simply model the successful schools, both public and private, we'd have done that long ago. The solution goes beyond the school system, and the current administration is helping along the anti-intellectual fervor that actually glorifies ignorance.

 

[Lycanthrope]

The solution goes beyond the school system, and the current administration is helping along the anti-intellectual fervor that actually glorifies ignorance.

Most definitely. I've never seen a political movement celebrate idiocy like Trumpism.

 

[KingLeo]

Yes they are.
And I have no problem if parents want to send their kids to a private religious school.
Where I draw the line however is when these private religious schools feel they should also be able to partake of tax payer monies, i.e. vouchers, and yet refuse to abide by state and federal educational guidelines.
If you are a private school funded by tuition charges to parents, do as you please.
But you can not have it both ways and take tax payer monies and then ignore state and federal educational rules and guidelines.

 

[Peacenik]

Some might enjoy this essay - WHAT SHALL WE TELL THE CHILDREN?
Excerpt
"Children, I'll argue, have a human right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people's bad ideas—no matter who these other people are. Parents, correspondingly, have no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose: no right to limit the horizons of their children's knowledge, to bring them up in an atmosphere of dogma and superstition, or to insist they follow the straight and narrow paths of their own faith."

"In short, children have a right not to have their minds addled by nonsense. And we as a society have a duty to protect them from it. So we should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, in the literal truth of the Bible, or that the planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out or lock them in a dungeon."

Hear Hear!

Could not agree more.

I actually consider forcing children into the religion chosen by their parents to be child abuse. If a parent really believes so strongly in a certain religion, the parent should have enough faith in that religion to appeal to their children. And if it doesn't they should love their children enough to make that love unconditional no matter what the child eventually believes in.

Basically, parents don't have very much respect for their religion nor their children if they try to force them to believe.

Particularly if it's because that's they way it was done to the parents.

And what goes around comes around. If children didn't appreciate having that done to them they are less likely to have as much respect for their parents when they become adults.

 

[Sweden]

I spent two years in a private Christian high school before my parents relented and let me return to my friends in the public school. In addition to a regular curriculum (where we prayed at the beginning of each class) those two years involved Bible classes and "chapel" twice a week after school, where among other things we were shown anti-abortion films, anti-Mormon films, and given lectures on the depravity of mainstream American culture (oh, but still the greatest nation in the history of ever).

Religious schools are absolutely about indoctrinating kids.

All schools seek to indoctrinate. If ts something with which one agrees one can call it 'education' or 'civics' or evironmentalism' according to choice.