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Are you just a fan?

Are you just a fan ?


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Republicans are the party of the middle class now. I received more money from the Trump 2017 tax cuts, and I'll receive more money yet with the next round once the "big, beautiful bill" is passed. Biden never extended the 2017 tax cuts, but Trump will. Trump even floated no income taxes on anyone under $150k, although I don't expect that to happen. I'm not resentful of wealthy people, I say good for them for being successful. That's the American dream. Punishing people who become successful, and sowing resentment toward them is the Democrat approach.
I don't resent the wealthy's success. What I resent is they continue to stack the deck against the folks lower on the economic ladder. They insist on polluting our air and water in the name of profit. They buy influence in government and always make sure their interests come before everyone else's.

To quote a former billionaire: to be a billionaire while there are people who have no shelter, food, safety, or healthcare is a moral failing. They ought to be ashamed.
 
It's not being a fan no matter what so much as most of what I believe in aligns with one party over another. Also, even if I were still an independent conservative, I wouldn't root for a party that supports Trump as it means that party has stopped being about America and about Trump.
 
Do you basically just support one side over the other and defend them like a fan of a team?
I think a more revealing question is - Do you think politics is a zero sum game?
A win for the other side must be avoided at all costs even though my side might also benefit from their win.
 
Republicans are the party of the middle class now.
The middle class was created after WWII with FDR’s New Deal programs, GI bill, etc… it started to go away with Reagan’s “trickle down” lies.

I received more money from the Trump 2017 tax cuts, and I'll receive more money yet with the next round once the "big, beautiful bill" is passed. Biden never extended the 2017 tax cuts, but Trump will. Trump even floated no income taxes on anyone under $150k, although I don't expect that to happen. I'm not resentful of wealthy people, I say good for them for being successful. That's the American dream. Punishing people who become successful, and sowing resentment toward them is the Democrat approach.
So do you ever think beyond what happens after these politicians cut your taxes? Or do you think that’s just not your problem?

 
I support politicians that do things I believe in. I am a left leaning independent, I support the 2nd and a few other items that are typically right leaning items.

Currently I am leaning completely left because the current administration is horrible.
 
Do you basically just support one side over the other and defend them like a fan of a team?
A lot of people that vote no on this poll are actually a yes. Most people on this forum, just like most people IRL, are very tribal with politics.
 
I just honestly can't see why anyone who isn't rich would vote Republican.
A party that does everything in their power to slash spending on the things most people need like infrastructure, public transport and who seemingly think only those who can afford treatment deserve healthcare.

They are the party of the super rich and large companies and they have somehow convinced poor people to vote for them.
I just don't understand why so many people vore for a party that actively makes life tougher for them.
Used to be that way. A long time ago the Republican party was known as the businessman’s party or the country club party. The democratic party, the big tent party or the working man’s party. Not anymore. Money has become the name of the game in politics, the democratic party over the last several elections has received more money from corporations, lobbyist, special interests and more important, mega, rich individual donors. An interesting twist to this is last year Trump won the working man’s, the blue-collar vote for the first time since 1988 for a republican when G.H.W. Bush won them. Heck, Trump came within 5 points of winning the union household vote. The reality of the situation, although the democrats talk big on raising the tax rates on the rich, they do so with a wink and a nudge and make up for the possible rise in tax rates with huge loopholes in the tax code to benefit the rich which goes total unnoticed by most folks. In the end the rich end up paying less taxes even if the top tax rate was raised.

2024 Harris 2.0 billion Trump 1.4 billion, Harris lost

2020 Biden 1.624 billion Trump 1.088 billion Biden won

2016 Clinton 770 million Trump 433 million Clinton lost

2012 Obama 812 million Romney 628 million Obama won

2008 Obama 745 million McCain 368 million Obama won



https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/


 
The middle class was created after WWII with FDR’s New Deal programs, GI bill, etc… it started to go away with Reagan’s “trickle down” lies.

So do you ever think beyond what happens after these politicians cut your taxes? Or do you think that’s just not your problem?
There's a link below showing the middle class has shrunk from 62% to 42% since 1970, , but the good news is that the upper income class has grown from 29% to 50%. Basically a good part of the middle class has become the upper income class.

As for taxes, revenue tends to go up whether taxes are raised or decreased. But Trump even proposed taxing wealthier people to pay for some of the tax cuts for the poorer folk. Plus there are a lot of economic growth incentives included in the "big, beautiful bill" which should help generate revenue. And of course there are the tariffs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...e-class-has-changed-in-the-past-five-decades/
 
There's a link below showing the middle class has shrunk from 62% to 42% since 1970, , but the good news is that the upper income class has grown from 29% to 50%. Basically a good part of the middle class has become the upper income class.

As for taxes, revenue tends to go up whether taxes are raised or decreased. But Trump even proposed taxing wealthier people to pay for some of the tax cuts for the poorer folk. Plus there are a lot of economic growth incentives included in the "big, beautiful bill" which should help generate revenue. And of course there are the tariffs.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...e-class-has-changed-in-the-past-five-decades/

60% of Americans today can't even afford groceries.


It was not like that before Reagan.

Conversely, the top 10% of Americans control approximately 60% of all U.S. wealth, according to USA Today. The bottom half holds only 6%. This figure of the wealth of the top 10% represents a substantial increase from 56% in 1989, and only 50% in the late 1970s, when the middle class was at the height of its prosperity- right before the Reagan era. GOP and Trump policies are only continuing to add fuel to that fire now with their insistence on now-debunked "trickle down" economic policies. The GOP is is not the party of the middle class, as they have been, and continue to be, its destroyers.

This is not a good, desirable, stable, or sustainable path. Increasing disparities of wealth and poverty are harmful because they undermine social cohesion, erode democratic institutions, and limit equal opportunity. When wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few, political and economic power become imbalanced, leading to policies that further entrench inequality. Meanwhile, those in poverty face reduced access to education, healthcare, and stable employment, perpetuating cycles of disadvantage and loss of social mobility. This is exacerbated when the resulting poverty and failure is then blamed on the poor being victimized by this process, because they are told they are that way only because they are just stupid and lazy. Such disparities also fuel resentment, social unrest, and a decline in trust, making societies less stable, less just, less capable of addressing shared challenges, and more prone to divisive, fascistic, and extremist ideologies like Trumpism. It becomes a dangerous vicious cycle.
 
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Most Dems I've encountered have criticism towards Joe Biden and the Party at large.
 
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